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The NCAA Simple Ratings System
Wick250:
Don't read this unless you want to get very angry. But if you read the Any Given Saturday site, you know that some have uncovered the not so mysterious or secret methodology behind the NCAA SRS (simple ratings system) that the selection committee uses, in conjunction with strength-of-schedule, to fill the at large berths. Turns out this information was on the 15th page of an NCAA release about the FCS playoffs.
Simply put, this is an abomination. Why? Because it treats EVERY FCS PROGRAM AS AN EQUAL. For example, if we beat Illinois State in Normal or NDSU in Fargo, we would get 1.25 points for each win. But if a Southland team wins a road game against the garbage at the bottom of their conference (for example, Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word, or Nichols,) they get 1.25 points for each win.
Here is how it works. If you win a home game against a FCS opponent (any FCS opponent including Paladin's "weenies,") you get 0.75 points. If you win a road game against a FCS opponent, you get 1.25 points.
If you lose a road game against a FCS opponent, you suffer a 0.75 point reduction. If you lose a home game against a FCS opponent, you lose 1.25 points.
Here is an even worse feature. Lose to a FBS foe and suffer a 0.65 points reduction. Beat one of those and you get only 1.35 points. Seriously. I am not making this up.
Anyway, here is how the contenders in the MVFC stand now under this ridiculous formula with three weeks remaining. This has not been published anywhere. Just access the results and use a calculator.
8.85 NDSU
5.50 Illinois State
4.25 Youngstown State
3.85 Indiana State
1.45 Northern Iowa
0.75 Southern Illinois
0 SDSU
How about contenders from the CAA, given that New Hampshire and Villanova are locks.
4.85 Richmond
3.45 James Madison
1.35 William and Mary
And what about that logjam atop the Big Sky conference
6.0 Eastern Washington
3.75 Northern Arizona
2.85 Cal Poly
2.75 Montana
2.75 Montana State
2.6 Idaho State
Keep in mind that this absurd ratings system supposedly counts only 50% for the at large selections. SOS counts the other 50% and every MVFC team will profit there. And conferences with lots of dogs at the bottom (Southland and Big Sky) should be hurt by SOS too.
Spiderlegs:
I actually see your numbers as favorable to YSU. As I have it, the 10 conferences right now have 34 teams on track for 8 win seasons. There are only 23 playoff spots. (The 24th spot goes to the Pioneer Conference auto bid--I assume it will only get one team in regardless record.) With the 10 automatic bids and 9 teams on track for 9 win seasons, which leaves 15 teams competing for 4 spots. I have YSU at 8-4 going for one of the four. We have to assume McNeese St. will get one of the 4, so YSU is really going to be only 1 of 3. The problem is that some of the FCS media darlings are also competing for the 3, e.g., James Madison, Sam Houston St, Liberty, so I could see YSU left out. (It gets even more complicated if UNI upsets NDSU.)
Your numbers suggest to me that YSU ranks above others, including some of potential 9 win teams.
Too early to do the victory dance. YSU will have to prove its worth on the field.
penguinpower:
The NCAA took down the SRS formula from their Web site. In addition they left a clause in there that basically allows them to choose whomever they want. It is complete bullsh**.
Until last year less than 7 D-I wins would take a team out of consideration for the playoffs. Last year they changed it so that they can have the discretion to include a 6 D-I win team (Sam Houston State. However, it appears that they are no longer allowing any 5 loss teams. Pair that with the fact that they state the SRS is only an aid and the strength of schedule factors into the decision and you have nothing but a hot mess. There is nothing scientific about the selection process. It is all political and now that they have removed the GPI they can justify anything they want after they've made the decision. It is worse now than it was in the past.
Since millions of dollars are on line due to the amount of investment I believe legal action should be taken to standardize the selection process and each person must publish their results in the interim. Unfortunately the SRS means nothing so don't pay attention to it. The selection committee rarely takes an MVFC team at large unless they share part of the conference title. It is completely wrong when you consider that there are 3 two loss teams above Illinois State at this point. And they have Fordham (who was blown out vs Villanova) above every MVFC team right now except NDSU. That is politics.
ysubigred:
fb My two cents... UNTIL!! YSU has a schedule and/or a good body of work that warrants a playoff berth I'll start to b**** and complain like the rest of you. LAST YEARS YSU TEAM did not belong in the playoff's!! This year YSU has quality wins. Winning one of the last 3 game should/will get them in. Lose all 3 and they are out. Face it the MVFC is the red headed step child of 1FCS and the stupid bag they have as a comish has no pull to get the best teams from a strong conference in. This is why the AUTO-BID needs to stop and a selection process of taking the 16-24 best teams needs to happen even "IF" that means taking 10 teams from the same conference ;) The current system is politically driven kind of like pee-wee soccer "everybody gets a trophy" :o
Penguin Nation:
Interesting, although old, thread re: the SRS:
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=38146
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