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Observer:
If a guy making 30k and a guy making 100k both get bumped up to first class on a plane, its going to appear that the 30k guy is having a better day right?  YSU should probably worry about 1AA ball before FBS football.  Moving up now, especially with the formation of the BIG 5, would be financially disastrous to any teams whose budget is not 15+ million....for just football.

Lets_Talk:
I can understand the frustration with the MVFC only getting 2 teams into the playoffs. I can understand the frustration with YSU being "on the bubble" multiple times from 01-13, and never receiving an at large bid. What I cannot understand is this talk of joining another conference, or the entire MFVC moving up to FBS. As was stated by another person, NDSU is the only school that meets the 15,000 per game mark for attendance. South Dakota(10,000) and Indy State(12,464) do not even have stadiums that hold 15,000. And, North Dakota, a team mentioned as a possible addition to the MFVC has a capacity of 12,283.

Here is a question I have for the people advocating YSU leave the MVFC. What conference is YSU going to join? There is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that any conference is interested in adding YSU.

As far as the entire MVFC moving up to FBS, there is NOTHING to support that this is something all 10 members would want to do. Nor is there any reason to believe the NCAA would approve of such a move. And, even if the conference did move up, they would essentially be like the Sun Belt, with best case scenario being on a par with the MAC. Take a look at the teams in the Sun Belt. It is a veritable "whose who" of former top 25 FCS programs.... Georgia Southern(no explanation needed), App State(no explanation needed), La-Monroe(1987 FCS Champs, 4 playoff appearance from 78-93... have played in 1 Bowl game since moving to FBS in 1994), Troy(FCS playoffs in 93,94,95,96,98,99,00), Idaho(11 times in FCS playoffs in 18 seasons), Arkansas State(4 playoff appearances in the 80's(84,85,86,87), including 1986 FCS title game..made move to FBS in 1992)

The Sun Belt and MAC duel it out annually for the worst conference in FBS. And, speaking of the MAC, remember that UMASS was a quality FCS program. They won an NC in 98, and lost in the 06 NC game to App. Made playoffs 7 times before moving up to FBS 78,90,98,99,03,06, and 07. They are now a bottom feeder in the MAC and one of the worst programs in all of FBS..

App State, which had dominated FCS is currently #17 in CBS Sportsline Bottom 25, Idaho is #4, Troy #2 .. other schools from Sun Belt in Bottom 12 are: La-Lafayette #10, Georgia State #11, New Mexico State #23

As far as the MAC, they are also well represented: #19 Ball State, #9 EMU, #8 UMASS, #5 Miami, #3 KENT .... Akron moved out of the Bottom 25 last week with their win at PITT
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24731805/the-bottom-25-maction-dominates-the-rankings

One of the FBS wins people are raving about for an MVFC team is Indiana State beating Ball State(1-3/0-1 MAC), the #19 team in CBS Sportsline Bottom 25. I do not think any FBS teams are going to be boasting about beating Ball State this season.

WKU is another team that was among the best in FCS, then made the jump to FBS in 2009. They have played in 1 bowl game in 5 seasons, and this year are 2-2/0-1(CUSA)..WKU won an NC in 2002 and made the playoffs in 87,88,97,00,01,02,03,04... In their first FBS season(2009), WKU went 0-12... the next 4 seasons were 2-10, 7-6(lost Little Ceasers Bowl to CMU), 7-5, and 8-4. So much for only needing to win 6 or 7 games to make a bowl, as WKU did not make a bowl game either of the last 2 seasons. And, in 2013 neither did Toledo 7-5, South Alabama(6-6), LA-Monroe(6-6), Troy(6-6), Texas State(6-6), CMU(6-6), FAU(6-6) and San Jose State(6-6).
They were skipped over by several 6-6 teams from the now "Power 5": PITT(6-6), Syracuse(6-6), North Carolina(6-6), Washington State(6-6), Oregon State(6-6), Mississippi State(6-6),

penguinpower:
The disparity that has been created between the the FBS power 5 conferences and everyome else in the FBS vs the lack of disparity between the MAC, Sunbelt etc and the FCS is all a result or piss poor management by the NCAA.

Penguin Nation:
Interesting thread on the ISUr fan page.

http://redbirdfan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6835

I did not know that Patty V is the commish for another FCS conference.  Seems like a conflict of interest to me.  I did know that the MVFC does a poor job advocating for its member schools.  There was an interview a few weeks back with Bob Hannon and  Mike Dern that was eye-opening to say the least.

If MVFC get screwed again by the playoff selection committee, and we decide to stay in the MVFC, then I don't want to hear a single peep about unfairness from the either coaches or the fans in 2015 or any future season.

When you are in a bad relationship.....you get out.

GOpenZ:
I have known that Patty V is the commish of the Pioneer League as well.  This may be some of the influence that leads us to have scheduling with Valpo, Butler, etc.  While I can see the conflict of interest come time for playoffs...generally there is likely not much chance of putting a 2nd PFL team into the final 24.  As such, I have not researched and compared to other leagues...but it could be that there is some cost savings by both conferences splitting her salary.

Separately I continue to stand by my point that our best option as a conference is to expand the best conference in FCS by adding two or more teams and making two divisions.  Although either would work, I feel that in the Guins best interest those teams should be located nearer to Utica shale then to the Bakken.

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