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How good is the MVFC
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: Lets_Talk on October 02, 2014, 11:13:30 PM ---Final 2013 SRS for the Top 30 teams in the SRS. I made the NON-PLAYOFF teams in bold:
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=38125
RANK /TEA RECORD/NCAASRS
1 Eastern Ill. (11-1) 25.30
2 North Dakota St. (11-0) 23.17
3 Eastern Wash. (10-2) 19.05
4 Southeastern La. (10-2) 18.12
5 McNeese St. (10-2) 16.25
6 Fordham (11-1) 16.00
7 Coastal Caro. (10-2) 15.68
8 Montana (10-2) 15.64
9 Towson (10-2) 15.55
10 Maine (10-2) 15.54
11 Northern Ariz. (9-2) 14.54
12 Jacksonville St. (9-3) 13.50
13 Bethune-Cookman (10-2) 13.39
14 Harvard (9-1) 13.32 (does not participate in playoffs)
15 Tennessee St. (9-3) 13.09
16 Charleston So. (10-3) 11.81
17 South Dakota St. (8-4) 10.01
18 South Carolina St. (9-3) 9.38
19 Princeton (8-2) 9.37 (does not participate in playoffs)
20 Sacred Heart (10-2) 9.32 (NEC auto bid)
21 Southern Utah (8-4) 9.19 (Won at FBS South Alabama(finished 6-6)..... also played and lost to Washington State(FBS)... 7 D1 wins... best FCS wins were Montana State(7-5), Portland State(6-6).... I think Southern Utah was deserving of at-large bid)
22 Tenn.-Martin (7-5) 9.03 (Only 1 OOC home game... OOC schedule was 2 FBS teams (losses at Boise State and Memphis)and wins at Chattanooga(8-4, T1st SoCon) and home against Central Arkansas(7-5).... In the OVC, won at EKU(6-6/4-4) and beat Murray State(6-6/4-4).... DESERVED AT LARGE BID )
23 Sam Houston St. (8-4) 8.69 NOT DESERVING OF AT-LARGE BID . I think they got into the playoffs due to playing in the FCS Title games in the 2011 and 2012 seasons. Had a high quality win over Eastern Washington(10-2 regular season, Big Sky Champs and #3 playoff seed)...next best win was Northwestern State(6-6).... had wins over 2 non FCS teams for scheduling purposes... Houston Baptist and Incarnate Word)
24 Youngstown St. (8-4) 8.15 (Lost final 3 regular season games...finished in 4 way tie for 2nd in MVFC, but lost to SDSU.... played 3 partial or non scholarship FCS teams.... Only quality win was SIU(7-5) )
25 Samford (8-4) 7.85 (Finished 8-4/6-2 and T1st with UT-Chattanooga and Furman in SoCon, ... OOC schedule was win at FBS Georgia State, loss at Arkansas, 34-31 home loss to SE Louisiana(#4 playoff seed, 10-2 regular season, Southland Champs) and a win over FAMU(3-9, but full scholarship FCS)..also beat UT-Chattanooga(8-4) and Georgia Southern(7-4).... I believe Samford was deserving of an at-large bid based on T1st in SoCon, win over FBS team, quality wins over UTC and Georgia Southern, and all full scholarship teams on OOC schedule )
26 Chattanooga (8-4) 7.70 (Finished T1st in SoCon, and DID NOT MAKE PLAYOFFS.. lost 17-14 in OT to Samford in game 11, and then at Alabama in final week of the season ..also lost to UT-Martin(#22 SRS) and Georgia Southern(7-4) ... beat Furman(7-5/6-2 regular season, won SoCon auto bid)...also beat FBS opponent Georgia State, and did not play ANY non scholarship or partial scholarship FCS teams...... UTC was more deserving of an at large bid than New Hampshire and Sam Houston State based on T1st in SoCon and OOC schedule)
27 Old Dominion (8-4) 7.20 (Ineligible for playoffs due to making transition to FBS)
28 Lehigh (8-3) 7.15
29 New Hampshire (7-4) 6.66 (Not sure how NHU received an at-large bid? ....finished 6-2 in CAA and T2nd with Towson...lost to Towson... other losses were at CMU(FBS), at Lehigh(8-3) and at William & Mary(7-5)....Best wins were Villanova(6-5), and James Madison(6-6)... The lone OOC win was over Colgate(4-8/3-2 Patriot)
30 Central Ark. (7-5) 6.24
***I think UT-Chattanooga and UT-Martin are the 2 teams left out of the playoffs with the best arguments they were deserving of at-large bids. I'd put YSU as 3rd most deserving of teams left out of playoffs, because of weak OOC schedule and only 1 quality win(SIU 7-5).
YSU was more deserving than SHSU and New Hampshire.
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The issue with your assessment is that you are on assuming that all FCS wins are equal when in fact they are not. We could have bulldozed several other conferences last year even with a shaky defense.
Penguin Nation:
I would not put much stock into Samford's FBS win at GA State...who went 0-12.......especially when YSU plays Rose Bowl and Big 10 champs Michigan State.
HappyPenguin:
They are considered equal. Thats why our 3 weenie games count as D1 wins.
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: HappyPenguin on October 03, 2014, 05:36:45 AM ---They are considered equal. Thats why our 3 weenie games count as D1 wins.
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That is why strength of schedule matters. They used to have the Gridiron Power Index. It was supposed to be considered in the SRS if I recall correctly. And the Weenie games are D1 wins. They stopped scheduling D2 games after we were left out in 2007 because the D2 win didn't count. The weenie games won't impact the GPI as badly is you fare well and your conference fares well, but that is long gone and more subjective than ever.
The real question goes back to YSUBR's comments. The best 24 teams should get in. Were we a top 24 team last year? YES. Did we get in? NO Did we get screwed once again? YES
HappyPenguin:
--- Quote from: penguinpower on October 03, 2014, 05:47:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: HappyPenguin on October 03, 2014, 05:36:45 AM ---They are considered equal. Thats why our 3 weenie games count as D1 wins.
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That is why strength of schedule matters. They used to have the Gridiron Power Index. It was supposed to be considered in the SRS if I recall correctly. And the Weenie games are D1 wins. They stopped scheduling D2 games after we were left out in 2007 because the D2 win didn't count. The weenie games won't impact the GPI as badly is you fare well and your conference fares well, but that is long gone and more subjective than ever.
The real question goes back to YSUBR's comments. The best 24 teams should get in. Were we a top 24 team last year? YES. Did we get in? NO Did we get screwed once again? YES
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NCAA doesnt care about fair. Never have.
They want all conferences represented, regardless of actual performance. Otherwise those smaller conferences suffer from lack of exposure. They have a vested interest to keep them relevant.
Any idiot can see the MVFC is head and shoulders better. Well unless you work at sportsnetwork.
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