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How good is the MVFC
IAA Fan:
I see the issue here. The NCAA only takes the poll into account in the event of a tie. So it really does not matter where you rank, unless you are in equal consideration with another team.
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: Penguin Nation on October 02, 2014, 10:09:28 AM ---Why did the NCAA take down the 2013 FCS SRS?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-srs-poll
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Somebody needs to ask. I have been looking for this information and cannot find it anywhere. They used to have contact information listed but the scumbags took it down. I would send an email asking for the SRS calculation if I had the contact information.
guinpen:
--- Quote from: ysubigred on October 02, 2014, 10:07:15 AM --- >:( I'm beating a dead horse here, but it won't get fixed till they stop giving auto bids and at-large bias bids. The best 16-24 teams period should play in the playoffs selected by polls-computer-strength of schedule-W/L record and conference strength. The human eye test and committee votes are way to bias. All conference champs can be seeds or just rewarded by their respective conference for a job well done ;) So be it if 10 of the best 24 teams come from one conference... That will force all the other dead beat conferences who want to settle it on the field to step it up.
Rant over,,,, YBR out!
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I agree
Lets_Talk:
Final 2013 SRS for the Top 30 teams in the SRS. I made the NON-PLAYOFF teams in bold:
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=38125
RANK /TEA RECORD/NCAASRS
1 Eastern Ill. (11-1) 25.30
2 North Dakota St. (11-0) 23.17
3 Eastern Wash. (10-2) 19.05
4 Southeastern La. (10-2) 18.12
5 McNeese St. (10-2) 16.25
6 Fordham (11-1) 16.00
7 Coastal Caro. (10-2) 15.68
8 Montana (10-2) 15.64
9 Towson (10-2) 15.55
10 Maine (10-2) 15.54
11 Northern Ariz. (9-2) 14.54
12 Jacksonville St. (9-3) 13.50
13 Bethune-Cookman (10-2) 13.39
14 Harvard (9-1) 13.32 (does not participate in playoffs)
15 Tennessee St. (9-3) 13.09
16 Charleston So. (10-3) 11.81
17 South Dakota St. (8-4) 10.01
18 South Carolina St. (9-3) 9.38
19 Princeton (8-2) 9.37 (does not participate in playoffs)
20 Sacred Heart (10-2) 9.32 (NEC auto bid)
21 Southern Utah (8-4) 9.19 (Won at FBS South Alabama(finished 6-6)..... also played and lost to Washington State(FBS)... 7 D1 wins... best FCS wins were Montana State(7-5), Portland State(6-6).... I think Southern Utah was deserving of at-large bid)
22 Tenn.-Martin (7-5) 9.03 (Only 1 OOC home game... OOC schedule was 2 FBS teams (losses at Boise State and Memphis)and wins at Chattanooga(8-4, T1st SoCon) and home against Central Arkansas(7-5).... In the OVC, won at EKU(6-6/4-4) and beat Murray State(6-6/4-4).... DESERVED AT LARGE BID )
23 Sam Houston St. (8-4) 8.69 NOT DESERVING OF AT-LARGE BID . I think they got into the playoffs due to playing in the FCS Title games in the 2011 and 2012 seasons. Had a high quality win over Eastern Washington(10-2 regular season, Big Sky Champs and #3 playoff seed)...next best win was Northwestern State(6-6).... had wins over 2 non FCS teams for scheduling purposes... Houston Baptist and Incarnate Word)
24 Youngstown St. (8-4) 8.15 (Lost final 3 regular season games...finished in 4 way tie for 2nd in MVFC, but lost to SDSU.... played 3 partial or non scholarship FCS teams.... Only quality win was SIU(7-5) )
25 Samford (8-4) 7.85 (Finished 8-4/6-2 and T1st with UT-Chattanooga and Furman in SoCon, ... OOC schedule was win at FBS Georgia State, loss at Arkansas, 34-31 home loss to SE Louisiana(#4 playoff seed, 10-2 regular season, Southland Champs) and a win over FAMU(3-9, but full scholarship FCS)..also beat UT-Chattanooga(8-4) and Georgia Southern(7-4).... I believe Samford was deserving of an at-large bid based on T1st in SoCon, win over FBS team, quality wins over UTC and Georgia Southern, and all full scholarship teams on OOC schedule )
26 Chattanooga (8-4) 7.70 (Finished T1st in SoCon, and DID NOT MAKE PLAYOFFS.. lost 17-14 in OT to Samford in game 11, and then at Alabama in final week of the season ..also lost to UT-Martin(#22 SRS) and Georgia Southern(7-4) ... beat Furman(7-5/6-2 regular season, won SoCon auto bid)...also beat FBS opponent Georgia State, and did not play ANY non scholarship or partial scholarship FCS teams...... UTC was more deserving of an at large bid than New Hampshire and Sam Houston State based on T1st in SoCon and OOC schedule)
27 Old Dominion (8-4) 7.20 (Ineligible for playoffs due to making transition to FBS)
28 Lehigh (8-3) 7.15
29 New Hampshire (7-4) 6.66 (Not sure how NHU received an at-large bid? ....finished 6-2 in CAA and T2nd with Towson...lost to Towson... other losses were at CMU(FBS), at Lehigh(8-3) and at William & Mary(7-5)....Best wins were Villanova(6-5), and James Madison(6-6)... The lone OOC win was over Colgate(4-8/3-2 Patriot)
30 Central Ark. (7-5) 6.24
***I think UT-Chattanooga and UT-Martin are the 2 teams left out of the playoffs with the best arguments they were deserving of at-large bids. I'd put YSU as 3rd most deserving of teams left out of playoffs, because of weak OOC schedule and only 1 quality win(SIU 7-5).
YSU was more deserving than SHSU and New Hampshire.
Penguin Nation:
I agree that the weak OOC schedule is a liability for the FB program in terms of SOS, playoff eligibility, fan or media interest.....well everything actually. It is a boneheaded attempt to compensate for participation in a juggernaut conference.
The Penguin Playbook interview with Mike Kern last week left me with the impression that the MVFC is dismissive of the interests and concerns of its member schools. Citing the SRS criteria (we've proven above that: a) the SRS varies from all other polls, and b) the selection committee deviates from the SRS), and the lack of separation (absolute BS...you can always find separation if you look for it). Kern then brought up the nearly irrelevant ISUb schedule when Hannon asked him about YSU's travel schedule. I was not left with the impression that Kern advocates for the advancement of the MVFC.
MVFC play will deliver 3-4 losses to top shelf FCS teams. All 8-4 (or better) MVFC should be in...and maybe a 7-5 or two. Another selection committee travesty like we saw in 2013 must mean we are out of the MVFC. It will be apparent at that time that the league does not serve our interests, and does not even try to serve our interests.
The Wolf said last night that he likes the MVFC, and that it reminds him of the SEC. Ironically, membership in the MVFC may return him to the SEC as an assistant.
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