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Lets_Talk:
1AA fan, I have no doubt the there may have been UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS at MAC schools who did not want YSU to join the conference. But, it had nothing to do with fearing YSU in athletics. Rather, it allows the MAC Presidents to deem themselves as superior academic institutions to YSU. It's the same reason a school such as CSU or Wright State would never get admitted. Yes, I know they do not play football. But, the MAC has not had any issues with allowing Temple and UMASS into the conference for football only.
As for Cochran being irate about the decision, I do not recall that happening. I do recall Dr. Cochran being unwilling to guarantee YSU would increase their athletic budget. Les did some positive things for YSU, but he also did plenty of negatives. And, he was good at feigning outrage, or whatever else he needed to feign to convince people in the Ytown area he was looking out for the best interest of the school.
If you were on campus during the Cochran era, and talked to faculty, staff and students, you would know this to be true. I was a post-grad student in 97-98 at YSU. I worked on campus. And, trust me, when Cochran announced he was leaving, the consensus opinion was don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I would just like the talk about YSU in the MAC madness to stop once and for all. Yes, the YSU-Akron rivalry was a great one. And, the schools now play in almost every sport but football and men's basketball. I know the reason Slocum and Strollo give for the teams no longer playing in men's basketball. I think it is total BS. Akron dominated the series when the teams resumed playing. Slocum is o fir his career at YSU against Akron. The Zips program is well ahead of YSU. They do not need to play YSU in basketball. And, I do not understand why YSU cannot go and play at Akron. Beat the Zips in basketball, and then maybe YSU can demand Akron play at YSU.
As for football, Akron is having no problem scheduling an FCS opponent each year, and I see no reason why ANT team in FBS ought to play at an FCS school. That would be akin to YSU playing at a D2 school, which is not going to happen in football or basketball.
penguinpower:
YSU is an ABET accredited state institution. YSU's undergraduate engineering program is ranked 45 out of 200+ institutions world wide. The undergraduate chemistry program feeds Emory University graduate programs. I believe that there are more YSU graduates in Emory's graduate and post graduate chemistry program than any other school.
I hear that the education and physical therapy programs are also good.
I am sick of hearing the nonsense that YSU is not up to par academically. You are probably getting your misinformation from the liberal arts morons that got their degrees from Kent read, Kent write, Kent State and Kent tailgate.
Every engineer I've ever worked with from Akron has been substandard. I would never hire an engineer from Akron or tOSU their undergraduate programs are not as good as YSU's. Kent doesn't have an engineering program. I don't care what anyone says I have first hand experience with data to back it up.
YSU not being up to the standards of MAC schools is a perception issue not a reality. YSU is better than most other schools at getting their undergraduate students prepared to take productive tangible jobs that support industry and society; engineers, chemists, physical therapists, school teachers etc...
Kent makes writer's and architects. The writers contribute nothing and the architects have to get their drawings approved by YSU professional engieers because the architect's watered down undergraduate mathematics doesn't allow him to fully understand static and dynamic loads and that makes it illegal for him to stamp his drawings. What is that worth? A half of a degree? You can't do anything with that if you wanted to be an entrepreneur; you would have to hire someone to approve your designs.
I am using engineering as my example because I am one but I bet you could find others in the fields I've named above here that could bring about similar points.
If you want to be a writer or an English major you basically have to get a graduate or post graduate degree in order to find employment. A liberal arts degree is about as valuable as the piece of paper it is written on. With an undergraduate degree from Kent you can get a nice position in fast food. Want fries with that?
Wick250:
On the matter of academics, I invite everybody to read a book by Murray Sperber, BEER AND CIRCUS: HOW BIG-TIME SPORTS IS CRIPPLING UNDERGRADUATE EDUCATION. Sperber was the Indiana professor who stood up to that blowhard Bobby Knight. You will be shocked at how bad undergraduate education is at many "big name" schools and, by comparison, you will be very proud of your YSU degree.
On the matter of future football schedules, it seems to me that we are assuming that the composition of Division I football will remain the same. I am not so sure. The "Power 5" have already negotiated virtual autonomy within the NCAA. Those schools will not stop there. They will soon pay their jocks, first in disguised form through their "full cost of attendance" gimmick. They will soon leave the "wannabe" FBS programs in the dust.
When that separation between the Power 5 and everybody else in FBS becomes crystal clear, will the NCAA continue to operate with five football divisions (Power 5, rest of FBS, FCS, D2, and D3?) Or will they consolidate into four (Power 5, D1, D2, and D3?) Remember that FCS can now outvote the FBS wannabes. I project that the NCAA will make that consolidation and then reduce scholarships in D1 to 63 and give every D1 football conference the choice of participation in the playoffs or seeking berths in the Clorox Toilet bowls. Best policy for YSU right now is to fix the darn football program and then sit back and wait until this all unfolds.
Lets_Talk:
Penguinpower, I never said YSU is inferior to MAC schools academically. The point I was making, is if YSU is in the MAC for athletics, then it becomes much harder to make the claim YSU is not on equal footing with those schools academically. Remember, it is the University Presidents that vote on admitting schools to a conference, not the coach's or AD's. The same is true when a school decides to leave one conference for another. Yes, coach's and AD's might have input, but the final decision is made by the University President, with the support of the Board of Trustees.
I'm a graduate of YSU. It is a good school. It is better for some areas of study than others, as is true of most Public Schools. With YSU no longer admitting every high school grad from Ohio that applies, and instead having those students steered toward EGCC, that ought to help retention rates for YSU. At the same time, people who need to make up deficiencies from high school, or spend the first 1-2 years taking remedial classes that do not count toward graduation, will have a place to do so. And, it is a place where they do not have to deal with feeling inferior.
Wick250, I agree with you on FBS. I do not think we have seen the end of the changes. Big 12 only has 10 schools. PAC 12 is at 12. Model for "power 5" conferences now seems to be at least 14 schools. And, there is still a possibility the power 5 could break away from the NCAA altogether, or as you stated, the NCAA deem the "power 5" as their own division for football.
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: Lets_Talk on September 13, 2014, 11:38:12 AM ---Penguinpower, I never said YSU is inferior to MAC schools academically. The point I was making, is if YSU is in then MAC for athletics, then it becomes much harder to make the claim YSU is not on equal footing with those schools academically. Remember, it is the University Presidents that vote on admitting schools to a conference, not the coach's or AD's. The same is true when a school decides to leave one conference for another. Yes, coach's and AD's might have input, but the final decision is made by the University President, with the support of the Board of Trustees.
I'm a graduate of YSU. It is a good school. It is better for some areas of study than others, as is true of most Public Schools. With YSU no longer admitting every high school grad from Ohio that applies, and instead having those students steered toward EGCC, that ought to help retention rates for YSU. At the same time, people who need to make up deficiencies from high school, or spend the first 1-2 years taking remedial classes that do not count toward graduation, will have a place to do so. And, it is a place where they do not have to deal with feeling inferior.
Wick250, I agree with you on FBS. I do not think we have seen the end of the changes. Big 12 only has 10 schools. PAC 12 is at 12. Model for "power 5" conferences now seems to be at least 14 schools. And, there is still a possibility the power 5 could break away from the NCAA altogether, or as you stated, the NCAA deem the "power 5" as their own division for football.
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To your it probably doesn't help us the fact that Tressel doesn't have a doctorate degree.
But at the end of the day running YSU is not much different than running a business that is regulated by government. There are a lot of moving parts. Financial, compliance Human resources, marketing and public relations, demographics are similar except YSU fields multiple sports teams.
Just because you have a PhD doesn't mean you can do it better. YSU needs to change its image among the other presidents.
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