YSU - Ind St.

[pioneer9]

Oh and btw... here's the GPI for your viewing pleasure... love who is the No. 6 conference

Rank School (No. of #1 Ratings) (Rating)
1. N Dakota St (9) (1.00)
2. Montana St (2.29)
3. Sam Houston St (3.14)
4. E Washington (5.00)
5. Ga Southern (7.00)
6. Illinois St (8.29)
7. Indiana St (10.14)
8. Cent Arkansas (10.57)
9. S Dakota St (11.43)
10. Cal Poly (11.86)
11. Old Dominion (12.14)
12. Northern Arizona (13.00)
13. Appalachian St (13.14)
14. Wofford (15.00)
15E Kentucky15.14)
16. E Illinois (17.43)
17. S Illinois (18.71)
18. New Hampshire (20.29)
19. Northern Iowa (20.43)
20. Towson (20.57)
21. Youngstown St (21.00)
22. Villanova (21.43)
23. Stony Brook (23.00)
24. Richmond (23.14)
25. TN Martin (25.00)

Conference Ranking:

Rank, League, Total Average
1. Missouri Valley Football Conference (22.56)
2. Big Sky Conference (30.85)
3. Southern Conference (32.27)
4. Southland Conference (36.70)
5. Ohio Valley Conference (38.81)
6. Colonial Athletic Association (39.16)
7. Ivy League (59.18)
8. Patriot League (59.82)
9. Big South Conference (62.30)
10. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (65.69)
11. Northeast Conference (66.86)
12. Southwestern Athletic Conference (76.04)
13. Pioneer Football League (76.27)

[guinpen]

Strange not seeing Montana up there

[IAA Fan]

And therein lies a big problem with FCS... it's very hard to compare the strength of the larger conferences.  The reason?... the FBS money games are taking away from cross conference play (good cross conference play like SoCon and CAA) in my opinion.  I mean who wants to play Ohio State and then Old Dominion in weeks 1 and 2?! Typically, your FBS game is your big chance to prove something in the early running then everyone retreats for the hills and tries to pad wins on a run of less-than-spectacular teams... that way, later in the season when you have to play YOUR conference's elite, you can afford to lose a game or two.

I have long been against any "money games". In fact, I feel that scholarship I-AA/FCS schools should only play each other. This goes for ALL levels of NCAA football. The NCAA knows that this is how most programs receive their $$$, so they allow it. We also made good $$$ playing Slippery Rock. We get a home game (with all the tickets, loges, ad, and concession revenues) and only had to pay out about 25% of what we would have to pay out for a I-AA club. Listen to coach Wolf, saying that games against teams like Pitt should count as two. What a bunch of "malarkey" that is. Your reward comes in the form of a check for those games. You certainly should not be rewarded twice. Likewise you should not be saying things like "this win is better than that win".

For decades we played MAC schools ...Kent and Akron in particular. We were a I-AA team playing IA schools on a regular basis. Now everyone here knows that Akron and Kent are backyard trophy rivals for us.

(in case you do not know, the game with Akron is for "the Steel Tire", and the game with Kent is called the Schwebel's Challenge, with the winner being awarded the Schwebel's trophy. You can see the trophies in the athletic office and Mosure hall of gg).

For years we were mocked by other I-AA clubs (an media) for playing such low-end IA schools. Yet almost no one else played these type of clubs. Furthermore they would never play YSU, because we were an independent ...and what idiot AD would schedule a powerful independent, when you have your own conference to worry about. We played these MAC schools simply to get needed D1 games. Furthermore, these naysayers in the media do not realize that these games are a rivalry. In a rivalry game, either team can win. YSU has lost to both Kent and Akron in years where we won the national title.

Yet none of this would even be an issue if we just stuck to our own level. Also there would no money advantage.

[ysuguins4]

In addition to the money games, the other factor is that the top FCS teams all want to play 6 home games every year.  When you put the two together, there is no room for a home and home series.  Kudos to E. Illinois who only played 5 home games this year, while scheduling SIU, Illinois St., and Central Arkansas.

I say Penguins 24 - 21 tomorrow.  Brown hits a 39 yarder with only seconds left.

Anyone know how many tickets have been sold so far?

[ItalianPenguin]

In today's economic world, our athletic department cannot survive without the "money" games. In fact, it may not be long before we play two, especially in 12 game seasons.

[Double ET]

I am all for playing FBS teams. We don’t live in an idealistic world anymore. In this tough economic time, YSU needs the money (with all the cuts in state funding). Furthermore, we offer our players to have the opportunities to experience the atmosphere of playing in the “big time” program in front of over 100,000 people. Many players have personally told me that. This is not any different from other YSU’s academic teams. We regularly put our student academic teams up against top schools in the country and we were never overmatched. The YSU name recognition gained by the exposure in front of national media is immeasurable. Its positive impact cannot be under- estimated. It helps us to recruit both students and players.

[OleYSUfan]

I agree with Double ET, The money games are extremely important to our economics to run the whole athletic department. It is also extremely vital for our recruiting, if we just played FCS teams and the likes of Valpo our recruiting would be sub par and probably put us at the bottom of the MVFC. We would also have a home attendance drop.

In fact; I'm an advocate of scheduling 2 FBS teams every other year, student athletics want to play against well known teams to see if they can compete at that level. If we win, then we get recognized by the media which then improves our status to the many football analysts. This builds the school's reputation.   

[Lets_Talk]

First off, YSU needs to win on Saturday, or all the playoff discussion is mute. Given the way this team has performed against the top teams in the MFVC this year, and under Woolford, that will be a HUGE task. And, we all remember what happened last year in the final game of the season, against a much lesser opponent than Indy State.

As for the CAA, it is likely they will get at most 2-3 teams in the playoffs this year. Alot of great points have been made about "money games", and also about teams in the MVFC beating each other up. Such is the nature of being in the top conference in the country. A win for YSU gives the team a slim hope. A win for Indy State is a guarantee for a playoff spot. In most seasons, YSU at 7-4 with a win over PITT would be a sure at large selection. But, unfortunately, this is not most years. With this projected field, EKU(8-3) at #15 in GPI is left out of the playoffs. Stony Brook(9-2 with a win over Army) and #23 in GPI is left out. Nova at 8-3 with a win over Delaware on Saturday and #22 in GPI is left out. Richmond, which will be 8-3 with a win over Willaim & Mary(2-8) and at #24 GPI is left out. YSU is presently #21 in the GPI. Most likely scenario even if YSU wins, would be EKU(#15 in GPI) replacing Indy State, with YSU being one of the last teams left out. Hope I'm wrong..... GO PENGUINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lets_Talk]

Sorry for another post. But, for those not wishing to use the link, here is how College Sporting News projects the field for the playoffs. CSN is NOT the selction committee. These are just projections. But, the GPI is used as part of the selction process, and I thought this would be interesting to show the impact the auto-bid leagues with champions that have low ratings in the GPI have on the playoff field:
http://www.collegesportingnews.com/entry.php?241-Nov.-14-Playoff-Projections


1. N Dakota St (9) (1.00)   MVFC   #1
2. Montana St (2.29)   Big Sky   #2
3. Sam Houston St (3.14)   At-Large #1   #3
4. E Washington (5.00)   At-Large #2   #4
5. Ga Southern (7.00)   SoCon   #5
6. Illinois St (8.29)   At-Large #3   Home 2nd
7. Indiana St (10.14)   At-Large #4   Home 2nd
8. Cent Arkansas (10.57)   Southland   Home 2nd
9. S Dakota St (11.43)   At-Large #5   Road 2nd
10. Cal Poly (11.86)   At-Large #6   Road 2nd
11. Old Dominion (12.14)   At-Large #7   Road 2nd
12. Northern Arizona (13.00)   At-Large #8   Road 2nd
13. Appalachian St (13.14)   At-Large #9   Home 1st
14. Wofford (15.00)   At-Large #10   Home 1st
15. E Kentucky (15.14)   
16. E Illinois (17.43)   OVC   Home 1st
17. S Illinois (18.71)   
18. New Hampshire (20.29)   CAA   Home 1st
19. Northern Iowa (20.43)   
20. Towson (20.57)   
21. Youngstown St (21.00)   
22. Villanova (21.43)   
23. Stony Brook (23.00)   
24. Richmond (23.14)   
25. TN Martin (25.00)   
38. Bethune-Cookman (32.71)   MEAC   Road 1st
40. Coastal Carolina (36.14)   Big South   Road 1st
45. Colgate (39.57)   Patriot   Road 1st
54. Wagner (47.57)   NEC   Road 1st

Number of teams by conference   
MVFC   4
Big Sky   4
SoCon   3
Southand   2
CAA   2
OVC   1
MEAC   1
Big South   1
Patriot   1
NEC   1

[ysufan0505]

Biggest game of Wolf's coaching career so far at YSU??? Need a W today boys