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IAA Fan:
We had ZERO conference success under any OC. Sounds like you are confusing Montgomery with Tressel's offenses. Monty produced, tressel ran the clock out. We had an elite offense under Coach M and a "man-love" comment will not change facts. Best QB's, best Backs, Best lines, etc.. The most elite offenses and defenses in the nation all have weaknesses, and figuring these these out is what coaching is all about. At least Montgomery gave YSU an elite offense for you to pick at. It is the only time we ever had that in my memory. Tressel lost to anyone good on our regular season schedule for years, then expected fans to cheer when we defeated a MAC team that was no where's near the talent. He drops our option game and then gets his backside handed to him by an option club in the '99 championship. Then when he gets to OSU, where he cannot take a loss or two to hide half of his offensive plays under the banner of a weak schedule, he has much more limited post-season success. Montgomery gave us almost 36 PPG over his entire career with YSU & did the same for 2 years with JMU. Much more difficult task at Buffalo, but he will get the job done. If not, he will be replaced.
I fail to see what tells you we are building a team to "run over" other teams? We have had zero output on offense since Phillips got here ... absolutely ZERO. In 3 years. We use an undersized TB who could not 'run over' anyone. I love the guy, but that is not his style. Tamron Smith ran over people & yes, we can both agree that is what we need now so we CAN run over some people.
BTW we have only had 2 conference championships in my DI lifetime Tressel and Heacock). So I would guess YSU head coaches had limited success in that regard, not the OC's. You love an offensive-based ball game. I am all about defense. a 45-43 game tells me there is no defense. A 6-3 score is so much more exciting. You would rather see a 10-6 baseball game. I would rather see a no-hitter.
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: IAA Fan on October 12, 2022, 06:27:02 PM ---We had ZERO conference success under any OC. Sounds like you are confusing Montgomery with Tressel's offenses. Monty produced, tressel ran the clock out. We had an elite offense under Coach M and a "man-love" comment will not change facts. Best QB's, best Backs, Best lines, etc.. The most elite offenses and defenses in the nation all have weaknesses, and figuring these these out is what coaching is all about. At least Montgomery gave YSU an elite offense for you to pick at. It is the only time we ever had that in my memory. Tressel lost to anyone good on our regular season schedule for years, then expected fans to cheer when we defeated a MAC team that was no where's near the talent. He drops our option game and then gets his backside handed to him by an option club in the '99 championship. Then when he gets to OSU, where he cannot take a loss or two to hide half of his offensive plays under the banner of a weak schedule, he has much more limited post-season success. Montgomery gave us almost 36 PPG over his entire career with YSU & did the same for 2 years with JMU. Much more difficult task at Buffalo, but he will get the job done. If not, he will be replaced.
I fail to see what tells you we are building a team to "run over" other teams? We have had zero output on offense since Phillips got here ... absolutely ZERO. In 3 years. We use an undersized TB who could not 'run over' anyone. I love the guy, but that is not his style. Tamron Smith ran over people & yes, we can both agree that is what we need now so we CAN run over some people.
BTW we have only had 2 conference championships in my DI lifetime Tressel and Heacock). So I would guess YSU head coaches had limited success in that regard, not the OC's. You love an offensive-based ball game. I am all about defense. a 45-43 game tells me there is no defense. A 6-3 score is so much more exciting. You would rather see a 10-6 baseball game. I would rather see a no-hitter.
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We were independent for several years before we joined the Gateway in 97. So that's not a fair comparison. The bottom line is the 4 national championship rings and 2 other appearances.
Pelini left the cupboard bare. Worse than Heacock. Wolford stacked the team and Pelini won with his recruits. Phillips has way more challenges and still had a MONSTER recruiting class this year. He had to deal with COVID in year 1and the AD wouldn't let him turn the roster over by 100% in a single year. In addition Phillips has to deal with a wide open transfer portal and NIL(which none of the other coaches had to do). Yet he took advantage of the portal without messing up team chemistry. He's finding mukti-sport athletes that need to develop in the weight room. I keep sending people back to the Cincinnati model. That's what he's doing. It's cristal clear.
He put a size requirement in the lines. 6'3 minimum height. Put them in the weight room for 2-3 years and they will be good. But he needs depth and I believe he had to adapt his recruiting by setting this requirement.
In a few years they should be outstanding. And when they are, we will be running A-gap power plays on offense and we will be running people over. He needs a QB and 2 more classes and we will be set. He had to deal with the bullsh** Covid year so he gets a pass because it really affected recruiting, especially for a school like YSU that simply has to do more with less.
Montgomery was average. If he was great he would have been retained.
YSUGO:
How are we being built for a power offense? We have running backs that are small and fast. We aren’t running power formations a lot with multiple te!s etc
Disagree about Montgomery. He was a decent recruiter and to say we couldn’t score against good teams might be true but our defense couldn’t Stop anybody so unless awe scored 30 a game we lost.
When we made the playoff run with Pelini we beat good competition.
His bio speaks for itself. If that’s average I will take it.
https://ysusports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/shane-montgomery/304
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: YSUGO on October 13, 2022, 09:55:22 PM ---How are we being built for a power offense? We have running backs that are small and fast. We aren’t running power formations a lot with multiple te!s etc
Disagree about Montgomery. He was a decent recruiter and to say we couldn’t score against good teams might be true but our defense couldn’t Stop anybody so unless awe scored 30 a game we lost.
When we made the playoff run with Pelini we beat good competition.
His bio speaks for itself. If that’s average I will take it.
https://ysusports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/shane-montgomery/304
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The RB's will be gone by the time the line is ready. He will need to more RB's. When the line is ready we will be able to run A gap power. You can't win this conference if you can't. That's the most necessary objective on offense. You can't contend if you can't do it.
IAA Fan:
Power, at least we both want the same thing. A wining YSU program. As I said before, I was ready to toss Tressel at this point & I am sure glad they did not. I hope that I am just as wrong about Phillips. However, when it comes to OC's in YSU's DI history; only 2 will be remembered, one for his success 'after' YSU and one for his success 'with' YSU. The later is coach Shane. The former is coach Dantonio. By the way, don't you wish we could finish with the 14th-ranked offense this season? You always drop a bit as the season progresses and your competition becomes rougher. We are down to 57th right now. Amazingly our defense has moved up drastically to #39.
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