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Athletic Budget
Kandrase:
--- Quote from: IAA Fan on November 11, 2021, 12:10:23 PM ---I have heard several names in reference to a split. RMU, EKU and Austin Peay are the names that continue to surface. That is a huge jump for RMU and APSU.
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What do you mean? Split from what
Penguin Nation:
2022 will mark YSU's 25th year as a member in the Gateway/MVFC. When we joined there was no team with the name "Dakota" in it. A few years before YSU joining, there were four teams with the name "Illinois" in it (Eastern Illinois left in 1995).
The MVFC is not the conference we joined. Even the name is different. The conference has moved westward and is now dominated by the western schools.
If I were Patty, who will have been commissioner for 40 years (!) in 2022, I'd continue the westward expansion and lure the dominant BSC teams (Griz, EWU, MSU) into the MVFC, and the membership numbers will be able to withstand attrition if the underperforming eastern schools atrophy away.
If I were the CAA, I'd consider YSU as part of its announced expansion, and place YSU in its proposed Northern division. Geographically this would make sense for YSU. However, there seems to be no mention of this, anywhere.
https://richmond.com/sports/college/james-madison/caa-exploring-expansion-two-division-setup-that-would-reduce-travel-costs/article_4ee9823d-9db6-54eb-a34f-d152ab6de602.html
Other options for YSU include the NEC and the moribund OVC. Although there would be undeniable benefits with travel costs, these would represent an official unconditional surrender of the "Team of the 1990s" and we'd simply exist as a program with no expectations of FCS dominance....and maybe that's ok.
Things may look very different soon. I still suspect an Ohio-centered FCS conference is possible when MAC East programs face the realities of basic math. Until then...fire your incompetent AD who will guarantee failure despite whatever opportunities arise....and stay with the big dogs in the MVFC.
guinpen:
--- Quote from: Penguin Nation on November 12, 2021, 11:59:39 AM ---2022 will mark YSU's 25th year as a member in the Gateway/MVFC. When we joined there was no team with the name "Dakota" in it. A few years before YSU joining, there were four teams with the name "Illinois" in it (Eastern Illinois left in 1995).
The MVFC is not the conference we joined. Even the name is different. The conference has moved westward and is now dominated by the western schools.
If I were Patty, who will have been commissioner for 40 years (!) in 2022, I'd continue the westward expansion and lure the dominant BSC teams (Griz, EWU, MSU) into the MVFC, and the membership numbers will be able to withstand attrition if the underperforming eastern schools atrophy away.
If I were the CAA, I'd consider YSU as part of its announced expansion, and place YSU in its proposed Northern division. Geographically this would make sense for YSU. However, there seems to be no mention of this, anywhere.
https://richmond.com/sports/college/james-madison/caa-exploring-expansion-two-division-setup-that-would-reduce-travel-costs/article_4ee9823d-9db6-54eb-a34f-d152ab6de602.html
Other options for YSU include the NEC and the moribund OVC. Although there would be undeniable benefits with travel costs, these would represent an official unconditional surrender of the "Team of the 1990s" and we'd simply exist as a program with no expectations of FCS dominance....and maybe that's ok.
Things may look very different soon. I still suspect an Ohio-centered FCS conference is possible when MAC East programs face the realities of basic math. Until then...fire your incompetent AD who will guarantee failure despite whatever opportunities arise....and stay with the big dogs in the MVFC.
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Nice read,
So how does our budget compare to the CAA?
An Ohio league would be best but unlikely to happen while I am alive. CAA would be better than where we are now. OVC not an option anymore, too much unrest.
We were and always will be the team of the nineties, that can never be taken away, no matter what league we may be in. You can't change history!
Penguin Nation:
--- Quote from: guinpen on November 12, 2021, 04:14:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Penguin Nation on November 12, 2021, 11:59:39 AM ---2022 will mark YSU's 25th year as a member in the Gateway/MVFC. When we joined there was no team with the name "Dakota" in it. A few years before YSU joining, there were four teams with the name "Illinois" in it (Eastern Illinois left in 1995).
The MVFC is not the conference we joined. Even the name is different. The conference has moved westward and is now dominated by the western schools.
If I were Patty, who will have been commissioner for 40 years (!) in 2022, I'd continue the westward expansion and lure the dominant BSC teams (Griz, EWU, MSU) into the MVFC, and the membership numbers will be able to withstand attrition if the underperforming eastern schools atrophy away.
If I were the CAA, I'd consider YSU as part of its announced expansion, and place YSU in its proposed Northern division. Geographically this would make sense for YSU. However, there seems to be no mention of this, anywhere.
https://richmond.com/sports/college/james-madison/caa-exploring-expansion-two-division-setup-that-would-reduce-travel-costs/article_4ee9823d-9db6-54eb-a34f-d152ab6de602.html
Other options for YSU include the NEC and the moribund OVC. Although there would be undeniable benefits with travel costs, these would represent an official unconditional surrender of the "Team of the 1990s" and we'd simply exist as a program with no expectations of FCS dominance....and maybe that's ok.
Things may look very different soon. I still suspect an Ohio-centered FCS conference is possible when MAC East programs face the realities of basic math. Until then...fire your incompetent AD who will guarantee failure despite whatever opportunities arise....and stay with the big dogs in the MVFC.
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Nice read,
So how does our budget compare to the CAA?
An Ohio league would be best but unlikely to happen while I am alive. CAA would be better than where we are now. OVC not an option anymore, too much unrest.
We were and always will be the team of the nineties, that can never be taken away, no matter what league we may be in. You can't change history!
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Agree about the Ohio FCS league. It's a long shot. Maybe Women's Lacrosse being in the MAC is a step in that direction.
Before we blame the failures of the revenue sports on the budget, according to this source, YSU FB revenue is average for the MVFC.
https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/football/6243728-McFeely-blog-Bison-rank-8th-in-FCS-in-revenue-generated-by-football-according-to-U.S.-Department-of-Education-data
YSU is increasing its Athletic Budget from $13M to $14M.
https://www.wfmj.com/story/45112365/ysu-weighs-in-on-increasing-athletic-budget-amidst-academic-programs-being-cut
Here's CAA Athletic budgets for FB, MBB, and WBB...which seems similar to or less than YSU's budget.
https://richmond.com/sports/college/william-and-mary/caa-budgets-for-football-and-basketball/article_6aa2f8a1-5b23-50b4-a91f-91458f6dd6e6.html
Sure McCafferty trophies are nice...but Youngstown is a FB town with a FB history...and FB generates revenue and Olympic sports spend it even if you factor in the trivial increase in enrollment they create.
Someone correct me if my sources, figures, or conclusions are amiss...but something doesn't smell right. I'm not seeing that YSU FB is underfunded....just incompetently mismanaged....or worse.
33Y0:
MVC Average vs YSU Expenditures
Undergrads
MVC: 10,892
YSU: 8,576
Difference: -2,316
Men's Basketball Expenses
MVC: $2.7 million
YSU: $1.7 million
Difference: -$1.0 million
Women's Basketball Expenses
MVC: $1.3 million
YSU: $1.1 million
Difference: -$220,000
Football Expenses
MVC: $5.0 million
YSU: $4.4 million
Difference: -$534,000
Total Expenses
MVC: $20.2 million
YSU: $16.2 million
Difference: -$3.9 million
MAC Average vs YSU
Undergrads
MAC: 14,234
YSU: 8,576
Difference: -5,658
Men's Basketball Expenses
MAC: $2.3 million
YSU: $1.7 million
Difference: -$598,000
Women's Basketball Expenses
MAC: $1.6 million
YSU: $1.1 million
Difference: -$447,000
Football Expenses
MAC: $8.2 million
YSU: $4.4 million
Difference: -$3.8 million
Total Expenses
MAC: $29.4 million
YSU: $16.2 million
Difference: -$13.1 million
Horizon League Average vs YSU
Undergrads
HL: 10,962
YSU: 8,576
Difference: -2,386
Men's Basketball Expenses
HL: $2.4 million
YSU: $1.7 million
Difference: -$771,000
Women's Basketball Expenses
HL: $1.4 million
YSU: $1.1 million
Difference: -$272,000
Total Expenses
HL: $14.5 million
YSU: $16.2 million
Difference: +$1.7 million
League Sponsored Sports
HL: $8.9 million
YSU: $7.6 million
Difference: -$1.2 million
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