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penguinpower:
--- Quote from: goodnews on September 26, 2021, 08:05:06 PM ---Honestly, we should've just hired the Slipper Rock head coach (not sure he applied) and his entire staff. We'd be better off now and in the future. Its hard to believe the applicants were that weak for the job. You cant convince me that any of these people will be successful here based on the MVFC schedule. Please review the experience of the a$$istant coach who is the recruiting coordinator. Did anyone bother to interview any of these coaches to see what experience they brought to the staff?
And one last thing, its 2021 there is no such thing as a long rebuild. You either have it or you don't. With the transfer portal, 3 years is more then enough time to see if you have the program headed in the right direction.
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There is such a thing as a long rebuild. You have two choices on the athlete that you want to bring in. The first choice is to get the best of the best high school athletes that can come in and play almost immediately. Special talent. The second choice is to bring players in that need to be developed physically but have the potential to be outstanding athletes. Some of these athletes will become outstanding and many of them will become very good. The majority of these players are on the offensive and defensive lines. They are the "projects" to many of the power 5 elite programs.
This is the type of athlete that Phillips is recruiting. It is going to take time. Heacock had a similar system, but he always struggled to get the skill positions. Philips seems to be able to identify the skilled positions well. However he needs time to develop the line in the weight room etc.
We don't have the budget to do it any other way. My advice is to remain patient. If Pellini hadn't left the cupboard bare it would have been a hell of a lot easier for Phillips. Secondly, Pellini left NCAA violations that cost scholarships. So not only did Phillips have to deal with a bare cupboard, but he also had to deal with NCAA violations. And I am fairly certain there are other things in play...... regarding some limits that Strollo in the athletic department have placed on Phillips ability to recruit exactly who he wants in the time frame that Philips wants to do it. Keep in mind there has been significant turnover of Pellini recruits in the last year and a half. These coaches were also at a disadvantage with the b******* coronavirus cancellations.
It was only 6 months ago that he got first-hand experience on the level of athlete in the conference.
You have to find a coach that wants this job. The majority of the great coaches are not going to take it. There is barely enough money for the a$$istants. As an a$$istant, this is one of these jobs you take because you are confident that you can make a name for yourself. It's not about the money. It's a way to prove that you are a good a$$istant or a bad one and move on to higher paying jobs in FBS. They aren't going to get all the right people immediately.
Lastly, when I say a slow rebuild, I am talking about a rebuild similar to what Cincinnati did. A rebuild that's similar to what Iowa state did. Cincinnati's been building their program for years. 10 years ago they were not competitive with Ohio State. Now they are ranked 8th in the country and they could likely beat Ohio State. Over the last several years Cincinnati has lost their conference championship to UCF. But the way that Cincinnati has built the program, they ended up on top because it was more fundamentally built on development. UCF could not beat Cincinnati today and if they did it would be a fluke. UCF predicated their success on finding the athletes. Cincinnati developed their player personnel and have a system to put the best players on the field through homegrown means. That's the essence of a developmental program. Those programs tend to remain more competitive for longer periods of time. They aren't flash in the pan teams that come out of nowhere and and fade into history. This is part of why North Dakota State is a perennial power. Their development of offensive and defensive lineman is second to none. When you have the line play and you mix in a few people with skill then you have the ability to become a machine that produces year in and year out.
When I say long rebuild, this is what I mean
guinpen:
PenguinPower
Can you expand on the following?
And I am fairly certain there are other things in play...... regarding some limits that Strollo in the athletic department have placed on Phillips ability to recruit exactly who he wants in the time frame that Philips wants to do it.
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: guinpen on September 27, 2021, 10:43:32 AM ---PenguinPower
Can you expand on the following?
And I am fairly certain there are other things in play...... regarding some limits that Strollo in the athletic department have placed on Phillips ability to recruit exactly who he wants in the time frame that Philips wants to do it.
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Let me just say that Phillips isn't going to purge the program like the SEC does with one year scholarships because it isn't fair to the athletes.....even if he wanted to do it That's not the way YSU rolls. If you can read between the lines on that.
The YO Show:
--- Quote from: penguinpower on September 27, 2021, 10:34:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: goodnews on September 26, 2021, 08:05:06 PM ---Honestly, we should've just hired the Slipper Rock head coach (not sure he applied) and his entire staff. We'd be better off now and in the future. Its hard to believe the applicants were that weak for the job. You cant convince me that any of these people will be successful here based on the MVFC schedule. Please review the experience of the a$$istant coach who is the recruiting coordinator. Did anyone bother to interview any of these coaches to see what experience they brought to the staff?
And one last thing, its 2021 there is no such thing as a long rebuild. You either have it or you don't. With the transfer portal, 3 years is more then enough time to see if you have the program headed in the right direction.
--- End quote ---
There is such a thing as a long rebuild. You have two choices on the athlete that you want to bring in. The first choice is to get the best of the best high school athletes that can come in and play almost immediately. Special talent. The second choice is to bring players in that need to be developed physically but have the potential to be outstanding athletes. Some of these athletes will become outstanding and many of them will become very good. The majority of these players are on the offensive and defensive lines. They are the "projects" to many of the power 5 elite programs.
This is the type of athlete that Phillips is recruiting. It is going to take time. Heacock had a similar system, but he always struggled to get the skill positions. Philips seems to be able to identify the skilled positions well. However he needs time to develop the line in the weight room etc.
We don't have the budget to do it any other way. My advice is to remain patient. If Pellini hadn't left the cupboard bare it would have been a hell of a lot easier for Phillips. Secondly, Pellini left NCAA violations that cost scholarships. So not only did Phillips have to deal with a bare cupboard, but he also had to deal with NCAA violations. And I am fairly certain there are other things in play...... regarding some limits that Strollo in the athletic department have placed on Phillips ability to recruit exactly who he wants in the time frame that Philips wants to do it. Keep in mind there has been significant turnover of Pellini recruits in the last year and a half. These coaches were also at a disadvantage with the b******* coronavirus cancellations.
It was only 6 months ago that he got first-hand experience on the level of athlete in the conference.
You have to find a coach that wants this job. The majority of the great coaches are not going to take it. There is barely enough money for the a$$istants. As an a$$istant, this is one of these jobs you take because you are confident that you can make a name for yourself. It's not about the money. It's a way to prove that you are a good a$$istant or a bad one and move on to higher paying jobs in FBS. They aren't going to get all the right people immediately.
Lastly, when I say a slow rebuild, I am talking about a rebuild similar to what Cincinnati did. A rebuild that's similar to what Iowa state did. Cincinnati's been building their program for years. 10 years ago they were not competitive with Ohio State. Now they are ranked 8th in the country and they could likely beat Ohio State. Over the last several years Cincinnati has lost their conference championship to UCF. But the way that Cincinnati has built the program, they ended up on top because it was more fundamentally built on development. UCF could not beat Cincinnati today and if they did it would be a fluke. UCF predicated their success on finding the athletes. Cincinnati developed their player personnel and have a system to put the best players on the field through homegrown means. That's the essence of a developmental program. Those programs tend to remain more competitive for longer periods of time. They aren't flash in the pan teams that come out of nowhere and and fade into history. This is part of why North Dakota State is a perennial power. Their development of offensive and defensive lineman is second to none. When you have the line play and you mix in a few people with skill then you have the ability to become a machine that produces year in and year out.
When I say long rebuild, this is what I mean
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I get all that, and I am still pro DP, at least right now, but the thing I can't forgive is the lack of coaching adjustment in the second half. We did not need to beat WIU with long passes, we just needed a quick short / screen pass game and we didn't run that. I think things will come together down the run, but I am concerned about the coordinators ability to coach at the level needed here. Which, is an easier fix right? Just get new coordinators.
The YO Show:
In terms of everything else you said with player development, totally agree. I think that may have been why DP quit mid spring season, to try to get that weight room time (what little was left). I am thinking next year after a true offseason and weight room time and more recruiting we will be much better. I am still optimistic for the future, this year will be really rough though.
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