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Duzzer+Heacock+Pelini=mediocrity
« on: October 13, 2018, 06:14:43 PM »
Youngstown St football other than the Tressel years and a few years in the 70ís has been a mediocre program.  We are a joke. We need to totally clean out the athletic office as well as the coaching staff.  If this was a private business the fire sale would have begun.
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Re: Duzzer+Heacock+Pelini=mediocrity
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2018, 06:23:22 PM »
Strollo is okay with mediocrity. That's already been proven.

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Re: Duzzer+Heacock+Pelini=mediocrity
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2018, 06:36:46 PM »
3 coaches that cannot be compared. Almost 3 different generations ....certainly 3 different styles of ball. Besides why would you not have Wolf in that list. All 3 of those coaches listed were far better.

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2018, 06:48:58 PM »
I forgot Wolf.  You can add him to the list too.
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Re: Duzzer+Heacock+Pelini=mediocrity
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2018, 08:44:37 PM »
Heacock was the one who screwed this program the most. Was given the keys to a Mercedes and turned it into a junker.

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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2018, 09:12:23 PM »
Heacock was the one who screwed this program the most. Was given the keys to a Mercedes and turned it into a junker.

Because he hated recruiting

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2018, 09:16:21 PM »
Pelini hates if too
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Re: Duzzer+Heacock+Pelini=mediocrity
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2018, 09:16:47 PM »
Heacock was the one who screwed this program the most. Was given the keys to a Mercedes and turned it into a junker.

100% true. What a disgraceful slide under his watch.

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Re: Duzzer+Heacock+Pelini=mediocrity
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2018, 09:29:58 AM »
Heacock was the one who screwed this program the most. Was given the keys to a Mercedes and turned it into a junker.

LOL. He was given the keys to a team that could never win a regular season game against anyone solid. He was given the keys to a team that cold not compete in, let alone win the conference. He was given the keys to a team that was just recently a spread power and now forced to run a pro set (whe the rest of the college world was doing just the opposite), just so his predecessor could "tryout" for OSU; then suffered the same fate...being blown out in the post-season by a SoCon team that ran the same style of ball that we did just a few years earlier.. You and everyone else lives in this early 90's independent YSU team. Don't tell me that you could not pick our win/losses every year that Tressel was in-charge. Tressel was great at scheduling YSU into the post-season. So good tha the NCAA outlawed his proctices and everyone nicknamed the new rules the "Tressel" rules. Heacock had to win a conference that was very good and still receiving one bid, while still having to play already-scheduled DII schools that did not even count.. Heacock had to build a team hat could compete in a DI conference...not win games against PSAC (DII) and "MAC Wanabes". All of this with a budget that now included an AD salary. Funny how the local media back-tracked on their Heacock insults when his defenses began to dominate the same MAC, that we were hoping to join and call a "step-up".

Every coach we had had their own demons and strengths. You listen to that same garbage as everyone else about coach H's recruiting, yet we recruited better under his tenure than at any other time since the late 1960's (CA, FL, GA, PA, East Coast & lower West states) and the number of all-Americans proved it. Duzzer was a solid coach, people said just not ready to take the team to the next level ...yet the joke was that they did not want to even give him a stadium..
I have already covered Tressel and let's not forget how close he came to being booted after his first few years. He finally copied GSU and then established an identity for the team that could win and then chucked it into the garbage.

Coach H had to mold this team into a GFC team. He was smart enough to realize that he had to play the same hard-nose game that people in this town could identify with and still compete in a conference. He talked about moving the offense back and was not given permission, Then, when it was clear that he was leaving, they finally made a switch on O, to match a conference that had switched ...we had a terrible first year and an improved second (and final) year. Yet our dominating D remained, along with a football team that paid for iteself.

That is until coach Wolf fired 3/4 of that D in one weekend and hired an over-priced lousy DC. We all knew the team was never going to recover, and it did not. Strollo dug deeper into the university pocket-book than had ever been done before (general funds). We lucked into a good OC that was able to produce record numbers, but we suffered with a DC from Florida and our our complete lack of fundamentals (and the record yards and points being put up against us) was the result.

Now it is difficult to work with Bo, and lack of coaching depth is the result.
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Re: Duzzer+Heacock+Pelini=mediocrity
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2018, 10:21:27 AM »
I think Pelini wants to move on after this year.

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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2018, 11:15:21 AM »
I will state, in fairness to Heacock, that Tressel left the cupboard bare  when he took the best coaches and left Klacik and such.  Coaching is a fraternity a.d Heacock had a hard time getting the deadweight to move on.

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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2018, 12:23:25 PM »
I will state, in fairness to Heacock, that Tressel left the cupboard bare  when he took the best coaches and left Klacik and such.  Coaching is a fraternity a.d Heacock had a hard time getting the deadweight to move on.

Keeping his buddy Klacik and his 2 page playbook for as long as he did sure as hell didn't help.

The decline is on those 2. Not good enough.

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Re: Duzzer+Heacock+Pelini=mediocrity
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2018, 06:21:58 PM »
Heacock was the one who screwed this program the most. Was given the keys to a Mercedes and turned it into a junker.

LOL. He was given the keys to a team that could never win a regular season game against anyone solid. He was given the keys to a team that cold not compete in, let alone win the conference. He was given the keys to a team that was just recently a spread power and now forced to run a pro set (whe the rest of the college world was doing just the opposite), just so his predecessor could "tryout" for OSU; then suffered the same fate...being blown out in the post-season by a SoCon team that ran the same style of ball that we did just a few years earlier.. You and everyone else lives in this early 90's independent YSU team. Don't tell me that you could not pick our win/losses every year that Tressel was in-charge. Tressel was great at scheduling YSU into the post-season. So good tha the NCAA outlawed his proctices and everyone nicknamed the new rules the "Tressel" rules. Heacock had to win a conference that was very good and still receiving one bid, while still having to play already-scheduled DII schools that did not even count.. Heacock had to build a team hat could compete in a DI conference...not win games against PSAC (DII) and "MAC Wanabes". All of this with a budget that now included an AD salary. Funny how the local media back-tracked on their Heacock insults when his defenses began to dominate the same MAC, that we were hoping to join and call a "step-up".

Every coach we had had their own demons and strengths. You listen to that same garbage as everyone else about coach H's recruiting, yet we recruited better under his tenure than at any other time since the late 1960's (CA, FL, GA, PA, East Coast & lower West states) and the number of all-Americans proved it. Duzzer was a solid coach, people said just not ready to take the team to the next level ...yet the joke was that they did not want to even give him a stadium..
I have already covered Tressel and let's not forget how close he came to being booted after his first few years. He finally copied GSU and then established an identity for the team that could win and then chucked it into the garbage.

Coach H had to mold this team into a GFC team. He was smart enough to realize that he had to play the same hard-nose game that people in this town could identify with and still compete in a conference. He talked about moving the offense back and was not given permission, Then, when it was clear that he was leaving, they finally made a switch on O, to match a conference that had switched ...we had a terrible first year and an improved second (and final) year. Yet our dominating D remained, along with a football team that paid for iteself.

That is until coach Wolf fired 3/4 of that D in one weekend and hired an over-priced lousy DC. We all knew the team was never going to recover, and it did not. Strollo dug deeper into the university pocket-book than had ever been done before (general funds). We lucked into a good OC that was able to produce record numbers, but we suffered with a DC from Florida and our our complete lack of fundamentals (and the record yards and points being put up against us) was the result.

Now it is difficult to work with Bo, and lack of coaching depth is the result.


We know Heacock is your boy, it's okay. He ruined the program. Mediocrity.....

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2018, 10:48:28 AM »

We know Heacock is your boy, it's okay. He ruined the program. Mediocrity.....

Gab all you want Chief. Every word of what I said is true and there is so much more. You hate the "good old boy" system at YSU, but it is the only thing that keeps us going as a DI program. You insult what would have been an excellent hire out of EKU ...when you should know that Dean and Monty would have been a formidable tandem. Gee, U of K is very happy that they hired Hood, as they sit in 1st-place in the SEC. Bo does not play Youngstown ball and is not winning ...that makes it worse. Hero 2 years ago and heel this year. Wolf had the same problem ...played a different style of ball and did not make the play-off. Bo is just now going through what Heacock realized years ago ...prep ball in Ytown is not good enough anymore.

You cannot have a young guy at YSU, he will never become part of the system. You insult Strollo at every opportunity, yet lack the ability to step back and look at where we are today, compared to when he started. Then when he does what you want (hire Bo) now, in only 2 years, you are leading the bandwagon against it. You think we can shell out big dollars for a big time coach. Name any coach with a drop of talent that will come here for a $250k salary? You do realize that no matter how much you talk, that is our salary cap unless we are growing the program again. Bo is the coach at YSU until he wants to leave, so deal with it and let's figure out how we can fix things.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2018, 05:42:18 PM »

We know Heacock is your boy, it's okay. He ruined the program. Mediocrity.....

Gab all you want Chief. Every word of what I said is true and there is so much more. You hate the "good old boy" system at YSU, but it is the only thing that keeps us going as a DI program. You insult what would have been an excellent hire out of EKU ...when you should know that Dean and Monty would have been a formidable tandem. Gee, U of K is very happy that they hired Hood, as they sit in 1st-place in the SEC. Bo does not play Youngstown ball and is not winning ...that makes it worse. Hero 2 years ago and heel this year. Wolf had the same problem ...played a different style of ball and did not make the play-off. Bo is just now going through what Heacock realized years ago ...prep ball in Ytown is not good enough anymore.

You cannot have a young guy at YSU, he will never become part of the system. You insult Strollo at every opportunity, yet lack the ability to step back and look at where we are today, compared to when he started. Then when he does what you want (hire Bo) now, in only 2 years, you are leading the bandwagon against it. You think we can shell out big dollars for a big time coach. Name any coach with a drop of talent that will come here for a $250k salary? You do realize that no matter how much you talk, that is our salary cap unless we are growing the program again. Bo is the coach at YSU until he wants to leave, so deal with it and let's figure out how we can fix things.

Iím confused by your ďprep ballĒ comments are you saying the local recruits arenít good enough anymore? Because thatís not true at all, the problem is we just donít get the best local players.