Nearly Half of NFL Teams Represented at YSU Football Pro Day

[IAA Fan]

Eight former Youngstown State football players went through on-field tests and drills in front of a group of almost 20 professional scouts on Tuesday at the WATTS. The group of scouts represented 13 NFL organizations and two from the Canadian Football League.

The former Penguins who took part in Tuesday's workout were Alvin Bailey, Stefan Derrick, Billy Nicoe Hurst, Damoun Patterson, Jalyn Powell, Kevin Rader, Justin Spencer and Soloman Warfield. Another former Guin, Martin Ruiz participated in the running times and receiving drills.

Scouts from the following teams were in attendance: Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins, Denver Broncos, Buffalo Bills, Green Bay Packers, Tennessee Titans, New England Patriots, Detroit Lions, Pittsburgh Steelers, Indianapolis Colts, New York Jets, New York Giants and Washington Redskins as well as the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and Toronto Argonauts of the CFL.

Following physically-testing drills the former Penguins went through position-specific drills with the scouts. The defensive backs held their own drill session, followed by wide receivers and Rader. Spencer, the lone offensive linemen participant, was put through a solid workout by a scout from the New York Giants.

Individual Highlights (All times are hand-held and not official)

    WR Alvin Bailey - 5-10.2 | 168 | 30.5 VJ | 9-1 BJ | 11.15 60 Shuttle | 4.21 20 Shuttle | 8 Reps Bench | 4.65 40-yard dash
    WR Stefan Derrick - 5-10.4 | 194 | 31.5 VJ | 8-10 BJ | 12.23 60 Shuttle | 4.44 20 Shuttle | 8 Reps Bench | 4.78 40-yard dash
    WR Damoun Patterson - 6-0.4 | 192 | 32.5 VJ | 10-5 BJ | 11.63 60 Shuttle | 4.44 20 Shuttle | 10 Reps Bench | 4.49 40-yard dash
    S Jalyn Powell - 5-11.2 | 193 | 34.5 VJ | 10-0 BJ | 11.53 60 Shuttle | 4.32 20 Shuttle | 6 Reps Bench | 4.7 40-yard dash
    TE Kevin Rader - 6-3.7 | 250 | 34 VJ | 9-4 BJ | 11.61 60 Shuttle | 4.37 20 Shuttle | 17 Reps Bench | 4.91 40-yard dash
    OL Justin Spencer - 6-5.1 | 302 | 26 VJ | 8-7 BJ | 5.21 20 Shuttle | 20 Reps Bench | 5.20 40-yard dash
    DB Soloman Warfield - 5-10.1 | 168 | 30.5 VJ | 10-5 BJ | 12.40 60 Shuttle | 4.50 20 Shuttle | 5 Reps Bench | 4.78 40-yard dash
    DB Billy Nicoe Hurst - 5-10.6 | 190 | 31.5  VJ | 9-6 BJ | 12.08 60 Shuttle | 4.52 20 Shuttle | 14 Reps Bench | 4.75 40-yard dash

[go guins]

Based on measurables here, nobody is going to get drafted.  Either too small, or too slow.  (in most cases, that's why they were at YSU in the first place!)
I do find in curious how some schools significantly distort players sizes in their programs.  So I did a quick comparison from the 2017 YSU roster to the actuals from the scouts.

                                    Actual       Program    
    WR Alvin Bailey       5' 10'   168   5' 11"180
    WR Stefan Derrick       5' 10"   194   6' 1"   190
    WR Damoun Patterson   6'           192   6' 2"   190
    S Jalyn Powell       5' 11"   193   5' 11"190
    TE Kevin Rader      6' 4"    250   6' 5"   250
    OL Justin Spencer      6' 5"           305   6' 5"   300
    DB Soloman Warfield   5' 10"   168   6'   180
    DB Billy Nicoe Hurst   5' 11"   190   6'   190

My assessment?  While we did stretch a few guys a few inches or add lbs to a couple, by in large, YSU is pretty accurate.  More accurate that many schools. 

[Kandrase]

Eight former Youngstown State football players went through on-field tests and drills in front of a group of almost 20 professional scouts on Tuesday at the WATTS. The group of scouts represented 13 NFL organizations and two from the Canadian Football League.

The former Penguins who took part in Tuesday's workout were Alvin Bailey, Stefan Derrick, Billy Nicoe Hurst, Damoun Patterson, Jalyn Powell, Kevin Rader, Justin Spencer and Soloman Warfield. Another former Guin, Martin Ruiz participated in the running times and receiving drills.

Scouts from the following teams were in attendance: Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins, Denver Broncos, Buffalo Bills, Green Bay Packers, Tennessee Titans, New England Patriots, Detroit Lions, Pittsburgh Steelers, Indianapolis Colts, New York Jets, New York Giants and Washington Redskins as well as the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and Toronto Argonauts of the CFL.

Following physically-testing drills the former Penguins went through position-specific drills with the scouts. The defensive backs held their own drill session, followed by wide receivers and Rader. Spencer, the lone offensive linemen participant, was put through a solid workout by a scout from the New York Giants.

Individual Highlights (All times are hand-held and not official)

    WR Alvin Bailey - 5-10.2 | 168 | 30.5 VJ | 9-1 BJ | 11.15 60 Shuttle | 4.21 20 Shuttle | 8 Reps Bench | 4.65 40-yard dash
    WR Stefan Derrick - 5-10.4 | 194 | 31.5 VJ | 8-10 BJ | 12.23 60 Shuttle | 4.44 20 Shuttle | 8 Reps Bench | 4.78 40-yard dash
    WR Damoun Patterson - 6-0.4 | 192 | 32.5 VJ | 10-5 BJ | 11.63 60 Shuttle | 4.44 20 Shuttle | 10 Reps Bench | 4.49 40-yard dash
    S Jalyn Powell - 5-11.2 | 193 | 34.5 VJ | 10-0 BJ | 11.53 60 Shuttle | 4.32 20 Shuttle | 6 Reps Bench | 4.7 40-yard dash
    TE Kevin Rader - 6-3.7 | 250 | 34 VJ | 9-4 BJ | 11.61 60 Shuttle | 4.37 20 Shuttle | 17 Reps Bench | 4.91 40-yard dash
    OL Justin Spencer - 6-5.1 | 302 | 26 VJ | 8-7 BJ | 5.21 20 Shuttle | 20 Reps Bench | 5.20 40-yard dash
    DB Soloman Warfield - 5-10.1 | 168 | 30.5 VJ | 10-5 BJ | 12.40 60 Shuttle | 4.50 20 Shuttle | 5 Reps Bench | 4.78 40-yard dash
    DB Billy Nicoe Hurst - 5-10.6 | 190 | 31.5  VJ | 9-6 BJ | 12.08 60 Shuttle | 4.52 20 Shuttle | 14 Reps Bench | 4.75 40-yard dash

Hard to believe our passing defense was so good with DBs that are unable to break 4.7.

[go guins]

Hard to believe our passing defense was so good with DBs that are unable to break 4.7.

Two relevant factors here.  1. our pass rush has been pivotal in improving our pass "coverage" that last couple years.  Take Rivers/Moss and then Chapman/Reed away and see how they hold up.  Second, our players are generally at 1-AA because they are too small, or too slow for 1-A, BUT the receivers are at 1AA for the same reason!  Fair matchup generally.  But go back to the WVU game in 2016 and look at how they WRs torched our DBs with SPEED.  Same for those two little guys from PITT last year, Henderson and Ollison.  They just out ran our DBs.

[IAA Fan]

Hard to believe our passing defense was so good with DBs that are unable to break 4.7.

Two relevant factors here.  1. our pass rush has been pivotal in improving our pass "coverage" that last couple years.  Take Rivers/Moss and then Chapman/Reed away and see how they hold up.  Second, our players are generally at 1-AA because they are too small, or too slow for 1-A, BUT the receivers are at 1AA for the same reason!  Fair matchup generally.  But go back to the WVU game in 2016 and look at how they WRs torched our DBs with SPEED.  Same for those two little guys from PITT last year, Henderson and Ollison.  They just out ran our DBs.

As did JMU

[go guins]

Hard to believe our passing defense was so good with DBs that are unable to break 4.7.

Two relevant factors here.  1. our pass rush has been pivotal in improving our pass "coverage" that last couple years.  Take Rivers/Moss and then Chapman/Reed away and see how they hold up.  Second, our players are generally at 1-AA because they are too small, or too slow for 1-A, BUT the receivers are at 1AA for the same reason!  Fair matchup generally.  But go back to the WVU game in 2016 and look at how they WRs torched our DBs with SPEED.  Same for those two little guys from PITT last year, Henderson and Ollison.  They just out ran our DBs.

As did JMU

I was trying to blot that game out of my memory, so thanks for reminding me!  ...and yes, they certainly did.   

[Kandrase]

Hard to believe our passing defense was so good with DBs that are unable to break 4.7.

Two relevant factors here.  1. our pass rush has been pivotal in improving our pass "coverage" that last couple years.  Take Rivers/Moss and then Chapman/Reed away and see how they hold up.  Second, our players are generally at 1-AA because they are too small, or too slow for 1-A, BUT the receivers are at 1AA for the same reason!  Fair matchup generally.  But go back to the WVU game in 2016 and look at how they WRs torched our DBs with SPEED.  Same for those two little guys from PITT last year, Henderson and Ollison.  They just out ran our DBs.

I disagree, our DBs are slow by FCS standards.

Here are some numbers from other schools pro days:
Jacksonville State, Montana’s all came in under 4.7 and mostly under 4.6: check out this article
https://m.herosports.com/nfl-draft/fcs-2018-pro-day-kyle-lauletta-jacksonville-state-ajaj

[go guins]

Hard to believe our passing defense was so good with DBs that are unable to break 4.7.

Two relevant factors here.  1. our pass rush has been pivotal in improving our pass "coverage" that last couple years.  Take Rivers/Moss and then Chapman/Reed away and see how they hold up.  Second, our players are generally at 1-AA because they are too small, or too slow for 1-A, BUT the receivers are at 1AA for the same reason!  Fair matchup generally.  But go back to the WVU game in 2016 and look at how they WRs torched our DBs with SPEED.  Same for those two little guys from PITT last year, Henderson and Ollison.  They just out ran our DBs.

I disagree, our DBs are slow by FCS standards.

Here are some numbers from other schools pro days:
Jacksonville State, Montana’s all came in under 4.7 and mostly under 4.6: check out this article
https://m.herosports.com/nfl-draft/fcs-2018-pro-day-kyle-lauletta-jacksonville-state-ajaj

Is your point Jacksonville's too slow DBs are a tenth faster than our too slow DBs?  Most of the DBs that will be drafted are 4.4 4.5 not 4.6 4.7 
Again, for the last couple years, the secret to our D was pass rush.  I suspect it will be good again this year.  We should have a playoff D, and it looks like we may have a 'one and done" QB that can play.  We have a much better receiving group than last year (and that's without seeing them play) and RB should be a strength.  IF but its a damn big IF, we find a couple OTs we should contend.

[Kandrase]

Hard to believe our passing defense was so good with DBs that are unable to break 4.7.

Two relevant factors here.  1. our pass rush has been pivotal in improving our pass "coverage" that last couple years.  Take Rivers/Moss and then Chapman/Reed away and see how they hold up.  Second, our players are generally at 1-AA because they are too small, or too slow for 1-A, BUT the receivers are at 1AA for the same reason!  Fair matchup generally.  But go back to the WVU game in 2016 and look at how they WRs torched our DBs with SPEED.  Same for those two little guys from PITT last year, Henderson and Ollison.  They just out ran our DBs.

I disagree, our DBs are slow by FCS standards.

Here are some numbers from other schools pro days:
Jacksonville State, Montana’s all came in under 4.7 and mostly under 4.6: check out this article
https://m.herosports.com/nfl-draft/fcs-2018-pro-day-kyle-lauletta-jacksonville-state-ajaj

Is your point Jacksonville's too slow DBs are a tenth faster than our too slow DBs?  Most of the DBs that will be drafted are 4.4 4.5 not 4.6 4.7 
Again, for the last couple years, the secret to our D was pass rush.  I suspect it will be good again this year.  We should have a playoff D, and it looks like we may have a 'one and done" QB that can play.  We have a much better receiving group than last year (and that's without seeing them play) and RB should be a strength.  IF but its a damn big IF, we find a couple OTs we should contend.

What I’m saying is that compared against other FCS schools our dbs are slow, not just slow by comparison to FBS. Just disappointed I guess, but you’re correct our pass rush has been good enough we didn’t really need speedsters in the defensive backfield.