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IAA Fan:
I had an interesting conversation with FCS fans today. I asked them if YSU won out and defeated NDSU (with NDSU ending the season with only that one loss), should YSU be ranked higher. Every single one of then said "no". Granted many of them were probably Bison people, but still ...the only logical reason was the FBS win. I am more convinced than ever that the NCAA needs to unilaterally ban  FBS vs FCS games. Here we would finish the season as MVFC champs, undefeated in FCS play and still be behind someone that we defeated. Everyone of us knows that Iowa would defeat NDSU 9 out of 10 times they meet. YSU's record against Iowa would be the same. FYI, not a single one of them mentioned FCS non-conference schedule.

HappyPenguin:

--- Quote from: IAA Fan on October 12, 2016, 05:21:03 PM ---I had an interesting conversation with FCS fans today. I asked them if YSU won out and defeated NDSU (with NDSU ending the season with only that one loss), should YSU be ranked higher. Every single one of then said "no". Granted many of them were probably Bison people, but still ...the only logical reason was the FBS win. I am more convinced than ever that the NCAA needs to unilaterally ban  FBS vs FCS games. Here we would finish the season as MVFC champs, undefeated in FCS play and still be behind someone that we defeated. Everyone of us knows that Iowa would defeat NDSU 9 out of 10 times they meet. YSU's record against Iowa would be the same. FYI, not a single one of them mentioned FCS non-conference schedule.

--- End quote ---

I've never understood the mindset that you can beat someone close to you in the rankings and not pass them. That had to be delusional NDSU nonsense.

The YO Show:
IAA, if you are suggesting that it is bias due to the majority of them being NDSU fans, then that is one thing. However, it is more likely that in your scenario (assuming NDSU also wins out and only loses to the Penguins besides the Penguins winning out) that the direct head to head game is taken as an abstract. They then look at name recognition and recent success (along with FCS strength of schedule). Who did you ask the question of? What were the parameters?

Beyond that, if you want any proof that FCS fan opinions do not dictate FCS playoffs with regards to the impressiveness of a pedigree due to beating an FBS team, look no further than YSU 2012. That was the 0-for-october year. We had been ranked as 3rd in the FCS going into the NDSU game (and had beaten Pitt that year). Lost all 4 games in October starting with the NDSU game. Won all 3 games in November and still had an overall record of 7-4 (4-4 conference), and didn't make playoffs.

I guess what I'm getting it is, the FBS win is not rated so high by the FCS committee. Also, if we won the MVFC, we would have a higher seed than NDSU in that exact scenario. So we don't need to ban FBS vs FCS games because of some fan ramblings  ;)

IAA Fan:
YO, this is only another in the list (quite long mind you) of why the games need to be banned. You answered my question as well. What the heck does pedigree have to do with anything? Two teams with identical FCS records, 8 of the of the 11 games played were against the same opposition ...with two exceptions":

1. One team won their money game and lost an FCS game.
2. the other team defeated the team in exception #1, but lost their money game..


YSU has the better FCS record and defeated NDSU ...they have to jump them. Unless you are counting the FBS game and that is not supposed to be done according to the selection committee. If you want to talk non-conference FCS schedule, then go ahead ...but rather meaningless if you are still going to have the NDSU beat Iowa mindset. So using that same logic ...YSU would have beaten Iowa as well?

I have no idea what schools they supported, but since NDSU fans live on every board other than their own, I just assumed they were well represented in the conversation. I was very direct in the question, YSU wins every remaining game ...including against NDSU. NDSU finishes the regular season with one loss.

ytownchief22:
Now a days, it's all about money. Upgrading facilities, wowing new recruits. That costs a pretty penny. Money that YSU does not have regularly in the budget. Just the way it is.

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