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go guins:
--- Quote from: penguinpower on April 20, 2016, 07:52:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: go guins on April 19, 2016, 03:16:44 PM ---penguinpower
"Keep in mind Wentz and the back-up rarely made incredible throws."
Because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. You think the NFL is so interested in Wentz at #1 overall becuase he rarely made an incredable throw and just tucked and ran? Don't write stupid stuff, it detracts from some of your better comments.
"However, we faded down the stretch with poor play calling and missed opportunities. The QB shouldn't need to be the focus of everyone is performing well around him."
I disagree. Somebody needs to lead!
IMO, you and everyone on this blog misses the point. Sometimes somebody has to step up and make a play. This team, and for all the Wolford years, now into Pelini's tenure there has had a dearth of playmakers. Although our defense looks stout, we need some playmakers on O to beat the good teams. At NDSU, Brock Jensen made plays, Wentz made plays, Stick makes plays, and in similar situations we seem to shrink into the background. I think Wells has plenty of talent, but I think Hosick is here to make plays under pressure. Wells has never done it, Davis has never done it. Let's hope somebody steps up on offense to be a difference maker.
It's always easy to blame the coach, but perfectly executed almost every play can score a TD. Sometimes you just don't have championship talent.
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The game is won and lost on the line of scrimmage. You make no sense to me. You have a superficial view of the sport with some of your statements. The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. Your fixation is as bad as ESPN's sensationalism with one player on each team.
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So we get way ahead of NDSU at YSU last year and all of the sudden the OL got bad? All of the sudden the coach got bad? We have consistently failed to make plays in the 4th quarter for the last few seasons and always the OL and coach go away in the 4th quarter? Or, perhaps we failed in the on-the-field leadership and play making? Seems most of the blog is composed of "the coaching killed us" and don't want to examine ways to get better other than "fire the damn coach".
Wentz was climbing up mock draft boards BEFORE the combine, mostly on Browns interest. And because you say "The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. "
again, doesn't make is so. Look at what Jensen has done in Canada without the NDSU OL and Wentz's proformance at the combine was obviously sans OL at all. My point it these are PLAYMAKERS, Wells is not. I hope Hosick is.
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: go guins on April 20, 2016, 08:37:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: penguinpower on April 20, 2016, 07:52:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: go guins on April 19, 2016, 03:16:44 PM ---penguinpower
"Keep in mind Wentz and the back-up rarely made incredible throws."
Because you say it's so, doesn't make it so. You think the NFL is so interested in Wentz at #1 overall becuase he rarely made an incredable throw and just tucked and ran? Don't write stupid stuff, it detracts from some of your better comments.
"However, we faded down the stretch with poor play calling and missed opportunities. The QB shouldn't need to be the focus of everyone is performing well around him."
I disagree. Somebody needs to lead!
IMO, you and everyone on this blog misses the point. Sometimes somebody has to step up and make a play. This team, and for all the Wolford years, now into Pelini's tenure there has had a dearth of playmakers. Although our defense looks stout, we need some playmakers on O to beat the good teams. At NDSU, Brock Jensen made plays, Wentz made plays, Stick makes plays, and in similar situations we seem to shrink into the background. I think Wells has plenty of talent, but I think Hosick is here to make plays under pressure. Wells has never done it, Davis has never done it. Let's hope somebody steps up on offense to be a difference maker.
It's always easy to blame the coach, but perfectly executed almost every play can score a TD. Sometimes you just don't have championship talent.
--- End quote ---
The game is won and lost on the line of scrimmage. You make no sense to me. You have a superficial view of the sport with some of your statements. The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. Your fixation is as bad as ESPN's sensationalism with one player on each team.
--- End quote ---
So we get way ahead of NDSU at YSU last year and all of the sudden the OL got bad? All of the sudden the coach got bad? We have consistently failed to make plays in the 4th quarter for the last few seasons and always the OL and coach go away in the 4th quarter? Or, perhaps we failed in the on-the-field leadership and play making? Seems most of the blog is composed of "the coaching killed us" and don't want to examine ways to get better other than "fire the damn coach".
Wentz was climbing up mock draft boards BEFORE the combine, mostly on Browns interest. And because you say "The QB's you mention would be nothing if they didn't have protection and a solid run game to lean on. "
again, doesn't make is so. Look at what Jensen has done in Canada without the NDSU OL and Wentz's proformance at the combine was obviously sans OL at all. My point it these are PLAYMAKERS, Wells is not. I hope Hosick is.
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Look at the 4th quarter rushing statistics from the game against NDSU last year. Matter of fact look at 3rd and 4th quarter. We started to fade about 6 min left in the 3rd quarter.
Look at the offensive series starting at 5:13 in the 3rd quarter. Keep in mind the defense gave up a FG, and Punt, and Punt, and then a TD. TOP in the 4th quarter possession times : 1:01, 0.59, and 2:18. We needed to run the ball and kill the clock and we could not do it. The QB was running for his life because we could not block. Total TOP of the entire second half was only 11:46. No wonder why the defense gave up so many plays........they were on the field way more than they should have been because we could not run the ball consistently in the second half.
Here is the play by play starting at the 5:13 mark of the 3rd quarter.
o 1st and 10 at YSU 34
(5:13 - 3rd) Ricky Davis run for 11 yds to the YngSt 45 YOUNGSTOWN ST Penalty, Offensive holding (Kevin Rader) to the YngSt 35
o 1st and 9 at YSU 35
(5:13 - 3rd) Martin Ruiz run for no gain to the YngSt 35
o 2nd and 9 at YSU 35
(5:13 - 3rd) Martin Ruiz run for 16 yds to the NDkSt 49 for a 1ST down
o 1st and 10 at NDSU 49
(5:13 - 3rd) Ricky Davis run for 1 yd to the NDkSt 48
o 2nd and 9 at NDSU 48
(5:13 - 3rd) Demond Hymes run for 21 yds to the NDkSt 27 for a 1ST down
o (2:14 - 3rd) Timeout YOUNGSTOWN ST, clock 02:14
o 1st and 10 at NDSU 27
(2:14 - 3rd) Ricky Davis run for a loss of 1 yard to the NDkSt 28
o 2nd and 11 at NDSU 28
(2:14 - 3rd) Jody Webb run for 1 yd to the NDkSt 27
o 3rd and 10 at NDSU 27
(2:14 - 3rd) Hunter Wells pass incomplete to Andre Stubbs
o 4th and 10 at NDSU 27
(0:39 - 3rd) Zak Kennedy 44 yd FG GOOD
Next Series:
o (14:22 - 4th) Ben LeCompte kickoff for 64 yds , Jody Webb return for 13 yds to the YngSt 14
o 1st and 10 at YSU 14
(14:18 - 4th) Hunter Wells pass incomplete to Andrew Williams, broken up by Cj Smith
o 2nd and 10 at YSU 14
(14:18 - 4th) Martin Ruiz run for 4 yds to the YngSt 18
o 3rd and 6 at YSU 18
(14:18 - 4th) Ricky Davis pass incomplete to Andre Stubbs
o 4th and 6 at YSU 18
(14:18 - 4th) Nick Sheely punt for 24 yds, punt out-of-bounds at the YngSt 42
Next Series:
o (9:57 - 4th) Ben LeCompte kickoff for 65 yds for a touchback
o 1st and 10 at YSU 25
(9:57 - 4th) Martin Ruiz run for no gain to the YngSt 25
o 2nd and 10 at YSU 25
(9:57 - 4th) Hunter Wells pass incomplete to Martin Ruiz
o 3rd and 10 at YSU 25
(9:57 - 4th) Hunter Wells pass incomplete to I'tavious Harvin
o 4th and 10 at YSU 25
(9:57 - 4th) Nick Sheely punt for 35 yds, downed at the NDkSt 40
Next Series:
o 1st and 10 at YSU 14
(7:44 - 4th) Ricky Davis run for 3 yds to the YngSt 17
o 2nd and 7 at YSU 17
(7:44 - 4th) Ricky Davis run for 4 yds to the YngSt 21
o 3rd and 3 at YSU 21
(7:44 - 4th) Jody Webb run for a loss of 5 yards to the YngSt 16
o 4th and 8 at YSU 16
(7:44 - 4th) Nick Sheely punt for 38 yds, downed at the NDkSt 46
This is not a QB problem as much as it is a OL problem.
go guins:
penguinpower: Very nice job of making my point for me. I see (and saw live at the time) nothing but imcomplete passes. When somebody needed to step up and make a play, nobody did. Wells was O-fer as was Wells.
What did Stick do in the second half after a dismail first half?
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu32 NORTH DAKOTA STATE drive start at 14:53.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu32 King Frazier rush for 9 yards to the NDSU41 (Alexander, L.).
Ndsu 2- at Ndsu41 Bruce Anderson rush for 3 yards to the NDSU44, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Rivers, Derek;Thompson, Eric).
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu44 Easton Stick rush for 9 yards to the YSU47, out-of-bounds (Rivers, Derek).
Ndsu 2- at Ysu47 Easton Stick pass complete to RJ Urzendowski for 41 yards to the YSU6, 1ST DOWN NDSU.
Ndsu 1- at Ysu06 King Frazier rush for 3 yards to the YSU3 (Smith, Jameel;Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2- at Ysu03 Easton Stick rush for 2 yards to the YSU1 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 3- at Ysu01 Easton Stick rush for no gain to the YSU1 (Rivers, Derek).
Ndsu 4- at Ysu01 Easton Stick rush for 1 yard to the YSU0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 10:40.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu46 NORTH DAKOTA STATE drive start at 05:26.
Ndsu 1- at Ndsu46 King Frazier rush for 7 yards to the YSU47 (Alexander, L.;Smith, Jameel).
Ndsu 2-3 at Ysu47 Bruce Anderson rush for 4 yards to the YSU43, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Alexander, L.;Dortch, Nate).
Ndsu 1- at Ysu43 Easton Stick pass incomplete to RJ Urzendowski.
Ndsu 2- at Ysu43 King Frazier rush for 1 yard to the YSU42 (Wright, Lee;Zaborsky, Steve).
Ndsu 3-9 at Ysu42 Easton Stick pass complete to Jeff Illies for 17 yards to the YSU25, 1ST DOWN NDSU (Wright, Lee).
Ndsu 1- at Ysu25 Bruce Anderson rush for 3 yards to the YSU22 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2-7 at Ysu22 King Frazier rush for 4 yards to the YSU18 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 3-3 at Ysu18 Easton Stick pass incomplete to Nate Moody (Durden, Kenneth), PENALTY YSU pass interference (Durden, Kenneth) 12 yards to the YSU6, 1ST DOWN NDSU, NO PLAY.
Ndsu 1-G at Ysu06 King Frazier rush for 2 yards to the YSU4 (Dellovade, A.).
Ndsu 2-G at Ysu04 Easton Stick rush for 4 yards to the YSU0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 00:35.
I agree it doesn't all hang on the QB, but he is the leader of the offence and sometimes he just needs to step up and make plays to win a game. Stick did, Wells (and to some extent Davis) DID NOT.
The YO Show:
After alot of consideration, I think the "wait till Fall camp to worry" group is right. Realizing it is pretty hard to have perfectly accurate idea of where our line is at due to injuries. Same can be said due to WR injuries. Although, as a unit, it seems like only a small few will make an impact (my thoughts anyways).
I know we can look at last year too regarding oline, but while I am concerned, Wick and others have brought up a valid point that we don't have a good idea of this year for sure. So, I will wait to give judgement until Fall. I am hoping my opinion changes then too. In any case, Football season can't come any quicker!
penguinpower:
--- Quote from: The YO Show on April 20, 2016, 05:16:34 PM ---After alot of consideration, I think the "wait till Fall camp to worry" group is right. Realizing it is pretty hard to have perfectly accurate idea of where our line is at due to injuries. Same can be said due to WR injuries. Although, as a unit, it seems like only a small few will make an impact (my thoughts anyways).
I know we can look at last year too regarding oline, but while I am concerned, Wick and others have brought up a valid point that we don't have a good idea of this year for sure. So, I will wait to give judgement until Fall. I am hoping my opinion changes then too. In any case, Football season can't come any quicker!
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I agree that we need to wait till fall. My point is that the QB is not the only answer.
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