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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2016, 09:40:59 PM »
Slocum did have the opportunity to hire Holtmann several years back...as an assistant...prior to him getting the HC job at Gardner Webb.  In fact, went so far as an interview. They didn't hit it off. In Holtman's words...well I won't repeat it. Amazing how things work out! Never try to improve....which oftentimes involves change...you have what you have. Or....as you always hear..."it is what it is".

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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2016, 09:45:00 AM »
Since this is an off topic thred,,

You got to admire UNI for it's Basketball program. Just can't get over the fact they still have the tendency to CHOKE  8) :o :)

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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2016, 06:45:06 PM »
Ray McCallum has been fired by UDM after compiling a .478 HL win % in 8 years and took UDM to both the NCAA tournament and NIT tournament.



For comparison's sake, in the land of the absurd, Slocum = o.297 after 11 years...no NCAA tournament....no NIT....contract just extended....
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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2016, 09:07:55 PM »
Ray McCallum has been fired by UDM after compiling a .478 HL win % in 8 years and took UDM to both the NCAA tournament and NIT tournament.



For comparison's sake, in the land of the absurd, Slocum = o.297 after 11 years...no NCAA tournament....no NIT....contract just extended....

Again ...show me the football program. He makes more than Bo Pelini. In fact about Bo and one of his coordinators would be the same salary as Ray McCallum. They said McCallum's salary in 2008 when hired was $380k. We can only assume it is higher now. He is a career .500 coach that will always be employed because of his race ...and the next place he goes he will not have a talented son that he can use for leverage, unless he has another at home.
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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2016, 07:56:20 AM »
Also, I might add we are not a Catholic School, so we lack some of the non-athletic / non-academic scholarships. We are also not in Detroit. All of this being said, if McCallum was here we would be a .500 team (at best) with a salary outlay of 2-to-3 times what we have now ...and I would be very angry at Strollo; as would all of you.

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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2016, 08:06:44 AM »
Ray McCallum has been fired by UDM after compiling a .478 HL win % in 8 years and took UDM to both the NCAA tournament and NIT tournament.



For comparison's sake, in the land of the absurd, Slocum = o.297 after 11 years...no NCAA tournament....no NIT....contract just extended....

Again ...show me the football program. He makes more than Bo Pelini. In fact about Bo and one of his coordinators would be the same salary as Ray McCallum. They said McCallum's salary in 2008 when hired was $380k. We can only assume it is higher now. He is a career .500 coach that will always be employed because of his race ...and the next place he goes he will not have a talented son that he can use for leverage, unless he has another at home.

I don't care if you ban me from this sh**ty little message board, you sir sound like a racist piece of sh**. 

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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2016, 08:23:15 AM »
Why would I ban you (or anyone) for calling me (or anyone else) a racist? It is the language that you might want to watch.
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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2016, 08:53:39 AM »
Ray McCallum has been fired by UDM after compiling a .478 HL win % in 8 years and took UDM to both the NCAA tournament and NIT tournament.



For comparison's sake, in the land of the absurd, Slocum = o.297 after 11 years...no NCAA tournament....no NIT....contract just extended....

Again ...show me the football program. He makes more than Bo Pelini. In fact about Bo and one of his coordinators would be the same salary as Ray McCallum. They said McCallum's salary in 2008 when hired was $380k. We can only assume it is higher now. He is a career .500 coach that will always be employed because of his race ...and the next place he goes he will not have a talented son that he can use for leverage, unless he has another at home.

Wow, really?....

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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2016, 09:11:34 AM »
Certain races and genders get preferential treatment regarding employment (and the opposite is true generally when dealing with people in blue costumes).  I thought that was generally accepted.  I could write a book about how I was discriminated against because of my race and gender.  Just a fact.

1AA, your argument is that Slocum sucks, but we are trapped with him?  Surely Slocum's performance isn't based on income.  He's not giving half an effort for half the pay, I assume.

McCallum's salary may not be as high as you claim:

From a UIC fan forum:  http://uicflames.proboards.com/thread/2422

>>"(All data from the 2008-09 season as reported to the Horizon League by each school)

Men’s basketball

Head coaches salaries
1. Gary Waters, Cleveland State, $415,000
2. Rob Jeter, UWM, $411,537
3. Brad Brownell, Wright State, $365,000
4. Jimmy Collins, UIC, $349,027
5. Brad Stevens, Butler, $308,264
6. Jim Whitesell, Loyola, $283,250
7. Ray McCallum, Detroit, $275,000
8. Homer Drew, Valparaiso, $246,100
9. Tod Kowalczyk, UWGB, $175,688
10. Jerry Slocum, YSU, $122,003

Notes: Kowalczyk’s base salary was $133,132 plus $15,000 for media appearances. The $175,688 total included money from what UWGB athletic director Ken Bothof called “men’s basketball development dollars.” New UWGB coach Brian Wardle signed a five-year deal with the same base salary of $133,132 plus $70,000 from “external sources.” … The Indianapolis Star reported that Stevens’ base pay for that season was $395,000, but Butler is a private school and therefore isn’t subject to open records laws. Stevens’ total pay for that season was believed to be $600,000, and in April he signed a new, 12-year contract that is believed to pay him at least $1 million per year."


It's true, we were at the bottom.  I couldn't find more recent figures, but I suspect we are still at the bottom.  But what about other expenses?



>> "Coaching staff salaries
1. UIC $328,912 (Assistants: $129,500, $112,200, $51,000; director of operations: $36,212)
2. Detroit $260,000 (Assistants: $85,000, $70,000, $70,000; director of operations: $35,000)
3. Loyola $241,925 (Assistants: $88,000, $70,000, $50,125; director of operations: $33,800)
4. Butler $231,225 (Assistants: $90,528, $80,212, $37,433; director of operations: $23,052)
5. UWM $224,345 (Assistants: $73,673, $62,423, $60,305; director of operations: $27,944)
6. Wright State $220,638 (Assistants: $72,100, $64,890, $53,672; director of operations: $29,976)
7. Cleveland State $211,200 (Assistants: $78,750, $53,000, $45,150; director of operations: $34,300)
8. UWGB $184,198 (Assistants: $63,837, $63,000, $47,661; director of operations: $9,700)
9. Youngstown State $183,936 (Assistants: $58,633, $53,303, $32,000; director of operations: $40,000)
10. Valparaiso $125,660 (Assistants: $50,100; $36,100; $27,100; director of operations: $12,360)

Recruiting budgets
1. Detroit $80,899
2. UWM $70,000
3. Butler $59,644
4. Valparaiso $56,000
5. Youngstown State $55,000
6. Loyola $52,000
T7. UWGB $35,000
T7. UIC $35,000
9. Cleveland State $34,000
10. Wright State $30,800

Travel budgets
1. UWM $181,900
2. UIC $165,113
3. Valparaiso $143,700
4. Detroit $120,00
5. Butler $115,000
6. Wright State $111,400
7. Youngstown State $105,000
8. UWGB $100,500
9. Loyola $80,000
10. Cleveland State $65,000"


We are not at the bottom in recruiting.  Why is Slocum such a bad recruiter?

If the argument is that we cannot properly fund the #1 revenue sport in the HL, and we cannot and can never compete, then we have no business in the HL.  This is the entire reason we shouldn't join the MAC.  We cannot properly fund a competitive team.  This is an administrative issue.  Either way, this is malpractice on Strollo's part. Continued languishing as a bottom feeder endlessly is absurd.  Either field a team that competes or find a suitable conference where we can compete.
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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2016, 12:19:26 PM »
Nation many of our budgets just increased recently ...yes Slocum's last recruiting class was very good after that. Also, we were NEVER brought into the Horizon League for anything to do with men's basketball. We had just come off of a 3-year run in the NCAA's with our WOMEN's program. That is what we are in the HL for. Don't kid yourself to think it is anything more than women's sports and location. Only HL fans crying RPI hate YSU. The Horizon League loves us. Keep thinking and you will see why. BTW, I do not think Slocum sucks ...in fact just the opposite.
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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2016, 01:49:58 PM »
Just curious...why do you feel that JS is the guy for this job?

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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2016, 07:09:34 PM »
Delusional YSU fans who think Slocum is doing a good job.

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Re: Donlon fired at WSU.
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2016, 10:10:33 AM »
At least we pay our Director of Basketball operations 40k.  That is #1.  Lol
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