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Vargo: State of the YSU basketball programs

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ucfpengbuck:
This a a frustrating topic but facts are facts.  I want to cheer for Slocum.  He seems to be a decent man and I'm sure he wants to win more than all of us.  If we base his historical tenure on wins and losses it doesn't bode well for the future.  The best season was 2011-2012 which was 18-16 and a 6th place finish in the Horizon.
YSU is consistently in the bottom of the league and a couple of seasons in the middle.

The crowds are embarrassing at Beeghley.  The place was packed(not all games but many) in the 70s during the Jeff Covington era.

The exodus of players transferring out happens at a lot of schools but in our case losing Ryan Webber and Marcus Keene really hurt.  You cannot have that type of talent leave.  Starters who have top scoring potential.

Who do we blame ? 
Slocum
AD
President
Budget
City of Youngstown

Should we be in a lesser conference than the Horizon ?

You can't be in last place year after year and then go to the middle of the pack and feel good about the program to then fall back to the bottom.  Someone has to be held accountable and the press has to ask the hard questions of why our men's program cannot compete for league titles.

  Before I die (I'm 55) I would love the Penguins to win their conference and make the NCAA tournament. 
Trust me there are a lot more important things in life than the YSU b-ball but it would sure be nice if we can make a name for our community on the hard wood.  If a depressed city like Detroit can have a competitive team than why not Youngstown ?

IAA Fan:
ufc: At least you ask the right questions and have opinions that are more than "throw out the baby". I do not really agree with the 1970's reference though ...we were a DII club, with a football team sponsoring no more than about a 1/2-dozen sanctioned scholarships. Some of you expert old-timers help me out here. Up until the supreme court ruled that basketball players could go directly to the pros; were there not unlimited needs-based scholarships for basketball?

Paladin "Shill"? If I have the time, I would dig back and find your numerous comments on John Vargo's supposed past bias for Kent. The truth is that you are going to hate anyone and anything that does not trash YSU; that is simply what you are.
PS: There is no opinion in the article ...which was my point in the first place ...so again ...good article. Although his comments on Barnes could be taken as opinion, they are backed with facts.

ucfpengbuck:
IAA fan.  I had season tickets from 1974 through 1978.  When we played Akron or Gannon the place was filled.   I think the capacity was 6000 and it was loud.   I could name and bore you with every player on those teams.  The lower levels were filled even when we played Kenyon or Steubenville.  There's no doubt(maybe i'm bias) that players like Frank Andrews,Gerald Parks and Tony Mitchell would be better than what our roster are today.

Youngstown had a larger population which might be a factor.   No one that I knew ever said a bad word about Coach Roselli.

guinpen:

--- Quote from: ucfpengbuck on December 27, 2015, 03:50:11 PM ---

Who do we blame ? 
Slocum
AD
President
Budget
City of Youngstown


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Not just YSU, not just basketball but I would think that standard for acceptable success would be set from the top down, starting with the trustees.

Penguin Nation:
^^^Agree.

If an organization has an under-performing employee, 0% of the time it is the employee's fault, and 100% of the time it is the employer's fault.

The President, and the BOT have been negligent in this aspect of University operations.  MBB has a $1.3M annual budget that has been squandered.

A successful organization practices "excellence in all things."  If we don't have the funding to compete in the HL in MBB (an often used argument I don't agree with), then we need to be in a conference we can afford to compete in.  From a fiscal perspective, you need to succeed (or at least try to) in your revenue generating sports.  To be a known and consistent failure in anything is a blemish on the entire University.

As an example, my daughter selected a University partially based on the "full college experience" which included athletics.  Some students may not chose a school that has a laughingstock MBB program that plays in front of empty stands.  Instead, they may chose a school where they can get rowdy in the stands with their buddies.

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