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go guins:

Lets_Talk
“strive to foster an appreciation of, and respect for, differences among the human race; and celebrate the diversity that enriches the University and the world."
Doesn't that include homophobes and bigots too? 
Are you in favor of allowing a student organization to set up an Easter scene on campus?  If not, how is that different that the ongoing religious symbolism of Muslims walking around campus daily in clearly religious identifies clothing? 

IAA Fan:
"oh well..." is absolutely the right thing to say. Nothing that has happened so far (outside of Pelini's uneducated rant being conveniently-released days after it happened and the day he accepted the YSU job) is anything less than great for the university & I mean great. If the guy is sent packing in 2 or 3 years, we would be far better off than having him not be here.

Any time you hire a major figure, there is controversy ...aka hiring coach Tressel as president.

There are 4 Sears trophies on the campus of YSU ...all from the sport of football and all occurred during the era of TV. Yet, most people we play against have no idea. Most people in the media do not care (outside of the locals). Most sports fans have no idea. Yet the vast majority of sports fans and media know who Tressel is and that he works here. Most now know who Pelini is and that he works here as well.  How great is that!? Nobody ever heard of Brown (outside of the hard core fans and misguided  in Nebraska) and no one is going to have heard of him here ...outside of the misguided and hard-core fans.

Also, any team effort requires unity. Generally speaking: religion (as a system of beliefs) is a tremendous unification tool. This why 7k people kneel simultaneously at my mass on Sunday. It is when you misuse religion that it becomes a divider. Until the point where this may happen, this is a non-issue. This is why I moved it to the General board. Because people are going to turn it into something that is today classified as "political".

Lets_Talk:
I GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!! ..... Some of you are incredible. Truly incredible. And, reading comments on this topic make me realize more than ever why I moved far, far, far from Youngstown/Warren, and for that matter Ohio.

People are supporting bigotry and discrimination as part of diversity....UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

And, while faith can untie people, it is also the cause of just about every war going on in the world today, and the cause of much of the hatred we have in the world today. Also, whose faith? A guy like Ron Brown has made it clear that HIS faith is the ONLY faith. ANY PERSON who is of that ilk, and uses their position as a coach at a PUBLIC INSTITUTION is not interested in uniting people. Ron Brown is a radical fundamentalist. And, radical fundamentalism of ANY kind is not at all positive.

Seriously, I am done with people defending a person who is a flat our bigot, and who DEFENDS and promotes discrimination. Then again, we are talking about Youngstown, Ohio, so I'm not sure why this at all surprise me.

All I ca say is WOW...WOW...WOW!!!!

You know what, go ahead and enjoy having an unabashed bigot representing YSU football, and YSU as a University. Also, on a National Level, there is not the buzz surrounding the hiring of Pelini that many of you would wish to believe. No buzz here in Las Vegas or anywhere out west. If there is any buzz in this part of the country involving FCS football, it is about the QB from Eastern Washington transferring to Oregon. Also, go on ESPN.com, CBSsportsline or any national sports site that does not specifically cover FCS football, or have a specific section for FCS football like The Sports Network. NO buzz about YSU or Bo Pelini, despite what Ron Jaworski had to say. That dude spews BS for a living. He was speaking to Alumni in an effort to get them to donate money to YSU.

I'm proud to be a graduate of YSU, but I cannot say I'm proud to be from Youngstown, OH, and if I never again set foot in the Ytown/Warren area or the entire state of Ohio it will not bother me in the least. The only reason I have for even considering going back there is to visit family, and I'd prefer they come out here.

1AA fan, I have a suggestion. Doubt you will like it, but here it goes. Get rid of the anonymous user names, and have people post using their real names. That would stop alot of the BS that occurs on this site. Of course, may well lead to few people posting, so that would not be good for your site. It's amazing how brash people are, and the things they are willing to say when hiding behind the cloak of anonymity. User names are akin to the KKK and their wearing of hoods to hide the identity of Klan members.

At the very least, require people to have their name at the bottom of every post in the spot reserved for SIGNATURE.

go guins, I have NO PROBLEM with a student organization setting up an Easter scene on campus. I have no problem with any Christian symbols being displayed at Christmas time, whether on campus or in front of a courthouse. What I do have a problem with is allowing ONLY Christian symbols and displays. As far as how SOME people who are Muslim choose to dress, why does this bother you so much? I have a dear friend who is Muslim. Well, she is more than a friend, as we deem ourselves to be "sisters from different mothers". Not a single time has Afifah EVER tried to convert me to Islam. That is more than I can say for alot of people I know who are Christian, including when I was attending Mass every week, plus Holy Days.

And, I went through a period back in the 90's in my mid 20's where I went to Evangelical and Baptist Church's. I did the altar calls. I did the being "saved" thing in an attempt to pray away my gender identity. "Pray the gay away", only in my case it was pray away that I am female buy was born with male genitals. With medicines I take, and procedures I've had, I'm now legally female and I'm married to a female, so I'm also gay. Well, I'm a lesbian. So, the altar calls and all those years of praying, self hatred, shame, guilt did nothing but make the mental health problems I had even worse, and poor mental health is something I deal with to this very day, based in large part to all the sh** I endured for 30+ years of my life, and that I still am subject to at times be people of the ilk of Ron Brown and in situations when it is legal to discriminate against myself and my wife. Fortunately, here in Nevada, there are STATE WIDE anti-discrimination laws in regards to sexual orientation and gender identity. And, guess what. Those laws protect people who are HETEROSEXUAL or not transgender from being discriminated against.

My foray int othe Evangelicl world did not cure me, and as I look back on those 1-2 years, I became a complete ******** to every person who was not "saved". It is my first hand experience with organized religion, and all the mistreatment I received in the "name of love" that led me to no longer want anything to do with organized religion. And, all of this was done in an attempt to cure myself of being ME. Essentially, doing the very thing Ron Brown would have ANY person he knows is gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender to do, along with any person HE does not deem to be "saved". Some of you may want to be careful, because you may well be headed for hell in the eyes of Ron Brown.

He has the ONE AND ONLY TRUE WAY, and I can tell you his way is NOT Roman Catholicism, nor is it likely Episcopalian, Methodist or any of the mainline Protestant denominations. Especially not denominations that are accepting of those of us who are LGBT and of people who are Muslim, Jewish and other faiths, plus people of no religious faith at all. Oh the irony that if Ron Brown is indeed right, then many of you will be right along side of me in hell. And, if Ron Brown is right, I have no interest in spending eternity with people of his ilk, nor being involved with a god that is so obsessed with what 2 consenting adults do when it comes to sex, or who they decide to love. It is not out o the realm of possiblities that Ron Brown is a person who is in denial, or "in the closet" with regards to his own sexuality. Often, the people who are the most outspoken and hateful toward people who fall into the "LGBT" category are people who have been led to believe they are abhorrent, deviant, evil people, and the views they espouse are an attempt to cure themselves. Take some time to think about just how sad it is when that happens. People are taught to hate themselves, and then they turn around and project that hatred onto others. I've been there myself back in my 20's, as have countless other people.

1AA fan, as far as I'm concerned, you can delete my account, and any user name you have on file that I may have used in the past. Delete ALL of them, because I'm done with this board. I may well read from time to time, but after today, I have no intentions of posting. I'm sure many of your fellow posters will be happy to read this. Consider it an early Vernal Equinox gift.

go guins:
Lets_Talk,
Sorry, I apparently misunderstood the term "inclusive" to mean all were included, but unfortunately I was completely wrong.  Apparetly it includes only those who agree with you!  Now that I understand your status as Supreme Being, I personally glad you are far far away from here! 
Welcome Ron Brown, hope you can coach!

IAA Fan:
Lets_talk: Just because you do not agree with this, does not mean you cannot participate in the sport-related board. This is why I moved it. You are being unreasonable as you call everyone else. Do we not all cheer when YSU wins? The do so on the YSU Athletics board with less volatile topics.

Also religion is almost never the cause of war. It is certainly the reason used to justify almost every war in history. My religion does not condone any type of war at any time. What does this have to do with anything? If you asked me, I would tell you that my faith is the THE only true faith and Brown has to be incorrect in his assumption. So would I not be wrong as well? You are making a mountain out of a mole-hill and obviously quite intolerant. So get off this topic & back on YSU sports. Heck now you are actually letting Paladin get to you on your own topic. The most that can come of this is:
1. Nothing. Or,
2. The ability for you to say "I told you so".

We enjoy your contributions. My only concern is that I am not sure Brown is qualified to coach and I hope he is. I am also concerned with Stoops ability to run the entire defense. These are the only coaching questions eating at me right now.

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