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Pelini vs. Wolf vs. Heacock vs. Tressel

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IAA Fan:

--- Quote from: paladin on January 26, 2015, 01:40:30 PM ---Hold that thought. I assure we will be having a conversation about it in a few short years. ;D

In my opinion, Wolf brought in far better athletes than Heacock did. And too early to tell if Bo's are close to Wolf's since recruiting isn't over with yet. Yes, they are small. Yes some have limited abilities. So far, it looks like Bo's recruits are closer to Heacock's than Wolf's . But better than what Heacock dragged in.

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I find it strange how you think coach H's recruits we so poor. Wolf's QB was recruited by coach H. The TB's were awesome (with the exception of 1 mistake in a JUCO that had to start). With few exceptions ...the front lines were better (certainly none were less). Defensive players better than Wolf's in every position ...I mean EVERY position. It is more than clear to ANYONE that watched the team since coach H left, that it was his players that stood out for performance. The one thing that I will say is that coach H had less depth at TB & WR. However, he had better TE's, used a FB and had MUCH deeper lines than any Wolf team. Obviously we are comparing a pro-set offense (with the exception of the last two years) to a spread.

We must have watched completely different teams. I can say that I missed 3 home games in the last 25-years ...my daughter's birth (she is 25 now), my daughter's wedding and my grandson's first birthday ...and I did have him at the tailgate lot before his party. I go to spring and summer practices as well; so I have seen all of the teams a fair amount.

I do worry about the TE spot. So important in this conference.

paladin:
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IAA Fan:

--- Quote from: paladin on January 27, 2015, 08:24:03 AM ---Fan -- we will continue to disagree. Yes , we had all those losing seasons with Heacock's GREAT recruits. Hard to believe I know. ;D ;D ;D

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Guess so:

JH Winning Seasons:
9-3
8-3
7-4
8-3
11-3
7-4
7-4

JH Losing Seasons:
5-7
4-7
4-8

You know, I would have taken 3 losing seasons from coach W if, gave us (5) 3-loss seasons. In other words over half of Heacock's teams had W/L records sufficient to make the current tourney format. How many did coach W have again?

Learn to back up your statements. So if H's recruits were so bad, why did they out perform coach W's again? Bad coaching you say? Then make that another reason to not renew his contract.

Penguin Nation:

--- Quote from: IAA Fan on January 27, 2015, 12:49:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: paladin on January 27, 2015, 08:24:03 AM ---Fan -- we will continue to disagree. Yes , we had all those losing seasons with Heacock's GREAT recruits. Hard to believe I know. ;D ;D ;D

--- End quote ---

Guess so:

JH Winning Seasons:
9-3
8-3
7-4
8-3
11-3
7-4
7-4

JH Losing Seasons:
5-7
4-7
4-8

You know, I would have taken 3 losing seasons from coach W if, gave us (5) 3-loss seasons. In other words over half of Heacock's teams had W/L records sufficient to make the current tourney format. How many did coach W have again?

Learn to back up your statements. So if H's recruits were so bad, why did they out perform coach W's again? Bad coaching you say? Then make that another reason to not renew his contract.

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Heacock was here 9 years, not ten. In those 9 years, he had 6 winning seasons and 3 losing seasons. He had a winning MVFC record 4 out of 9 seasons: the first two years with Tressels players, and only twice in the following seven years.

That's what is called destroying a Championship tradition.

IAA Fan:

--- Quote from: Penguin Nation on January 27, 2015, 05:32:58 PM ---
--- Quote from: IAA Fan on January 27, 2015, 12:49:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: paladin on January 27, 2015, 08:24:03 AM ---Fan -- we will continue to disagree. Yes , we had all those losing seasons with Heacock's GREAT recruits. Hard to believe I know. ;D ;D ;D

--- End quote ---

Guess so:

JH Winning Seasons:
9-3
8-3
7-4
8-3
11-3
7-4
7-4

JH Losing Seasons:
5-7
4-7
4-8

You know, I would have taken 3 losing seasons from coach W if, gave us (5) 3-loss seasons. In other words over half of Heacock's teams had W/L records sufficient to make the current tourney format. How many did coach W have again?

Learn to back up your statements. So if H's recruits were so bad, why did they out perform coach W's again? Bad coaching you say? Then make that another reason to not renew his contract.

--- End quote ---

Heacock was here 9 years, not ten. In those 9 years, he had 6 winning seasons and 3 losing seasons. He had a winning MVFC record 4 out of 9 seasons: the first two years with Tressels players, and only twice in the following seven years.

That's what is called destroying a Championship tradition.

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Yes, take out that first 9-3 ...that was not H's. Not to continue with topic that an uninformed idiot always brings up. Heacock flat out better coach. Flat out better teams. BTW, who cares about the MVFC record as Tressel never really did squat in the Gateway either. Did you ever see one YSU player riding on our opposition's back because he cannot tackle? I never did either (outside of "America's Funniest Home Videos") ...that is until 5-years ago. Not one of you even care that Tressel changed our entire "winning" offense from option to pro-set ...THAT (and nothing else) is what destroyed our program. With the possible exception of Heacock's lack of guts to put the offense back where it was when we were a championship program. That and the university's $100k budget for all coaches outside of Heacock ...who made $105k. SO let's see, just what did the university get for their $280k salary for Wolf?

YSU Option offense in the 90's:
1990, 1991, 1992, 1993 and 1994: Post-season

YSU Pro offense in the 90's:
1997 and 1999:Post-season
1995, 1996, 1998: No post-season


We all know why Paladin brings this topic up (because some even more idiotic board administrator let him back on. Yes I need a gun to the head) ...why the rest of you? Do you think anyone gives a crap about 2001? It is fun to talk about specific players and what not, but stop falling for Paladin's traps.

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